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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by Charles View PostA moron for asking why guns are much needed in self defense but not more or less effective than whatever is at hand when used in an attack?
You could give a normal person an arsenal of guns, knives, and explosives and they would not harm a single person. Taking weapons away from them does not take them away from the demented and evil people who do go around killing people.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNot if they had an ad blocker!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsigh. Guns are more effective than knives. Nobody ever said anything different.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut if the goal is to stop mass attacks, then eliminating guns does not solve the problem because people will find other means to harm others. This is what happened in Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Africa, China, Japan, and every country in the world. You don't stop these people by taking away their guns. They will use poison, trucks, knives, swords, or bombs, or rocks. The problem isn't with the weapons, it is with the perpetrators.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAre you saying you are just fine if they only kill 10 people with knives instead of 17 with guns? That is acceptable to you?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou could give a normal person an arsenal of guns, knives, and explosives and they would not harm a single person. Taking weapons away from them does not take them away from the demented and evil people who do go around killing people."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostOk, so you admit that guns are more effective at killing innocent people. Why all the fuzz then?
I though we just agreed that knives were not as effective? Would swords be as effective? Would rocks? No one made the claim that mass attacks would be eliminated without guns. It simply is dishonest of you to suggest so. What I want to point to is that it would reduce the problem.
How low of you to even suggest that. All I am saying is that if it is a choice between 17 or 10 then 10 is an absurd tragedy but 17 would be even worse since each indivudual is irreplaceable. Would you disagree? If not then why provide more effective means for killing? Each individual counts.
And of course we all know beforehand who are normal people and who are demented and evil? Taking them away from all civilians would ensure they would not end up in the hans of evil persons. It would be a long proces in a country as influenced by gun lobbies and heartless people earning fortunes on others misfortunes as yours. But again, since each individual counts it need to get started.
Punishing law-abiding citizens because of the actions of a minority of nutjobs is not a feasible answer. And it is logistically impossible. Not to mention against the constitution of the USA. How about you come up with a realistic solution instead of fantasy?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsigh. Guns are more effective than knives. Nobody ever said anything different. But if the goal is to stop mass attacks, then eliminating guns does not solve the problem because people will find other means to harm others. This is what happened in Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Africa, China, Japan, and every country in the world. You don't stop these people by taking away their guns. They will use poison, trucks, knives, swords, or bombs, or rocks. The problem isn't with the weapons, it is with the perpetrators. Are you saying you are just fine if they only kill 10 people with knives instead of 17 with guns? That is acceptable to you?
You could give a normal person an arsenal of guns, knives, and explosives and they would not harm a single person. Taking weapons away from them does not take them away from the demented and evil people who do go around killing people.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThen don't worry about the method but the person who committed the crime. Find a way to stop him. Otherwise all you are doing is playing a numbers game and saying you are perfectly happy if you can reduce the body count. Not every shooting results in 17 dead. Some result in only a couple dead, just like a knife attack. Are you OK with those attacks? This is why I said you were a moron and not worth responding to.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy don't we just lock everyone up in prison that way we know we have all of the evil ones in jail?
Punishing law-abiding citizens because of the actions of a minority of nutjobs is not a feasible answer. And it is logistically impossible. Not to mention against the constitution of the USA. How about you come up with a realistic solution instead of fantasy?Last edited by Charles; 02-19-2018, 03:41 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostIf a kid wants to kill people at school, making sure he doesn't have guns would significantly hamper his plans. That's something we can do to fight the problem right now. Getting to the heart of mass killings and finding a way to prevent them from the beginning isn't going to happen any time soon.
You could significantly reduce their likelihood of having guns, which would require little more than actually enforcing current laws and, for example, having the FBI do their job instead of trying to avenge Hillary Clinton's humiliating defeat. But we both know the real motive here is to disarm the population so that you can do whatever you want to them with no possibility of serious retaliation."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTeaching folks to fight back if they cannot escape or hide is actually a good idea. But to tell them to bring canned food to school so they can have them at hand to throw in case of a shooter is just goofy."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWell, actually, the "number" thing was in the opening post in the quote "He would not have harmed that many students with a knife."
*source: I played Party Hard"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postis it though? a few flying cans might distract the shooter enough to give someone time to tackle them.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSomething tells me there will be plenty of objects suitable for throwing right there in the classroom without building a stockpile of canned peas and the like.We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThere's no way to make sure he doesn't have guns without starting a civil war.
You could significantly reduce their likelihood of having guns, which would require little more than actually enforcing current laws and, for example, having the FBI do their job instead of trying to avenge Hillary Clinton's humiliating defeat. But we both know the real motive here is to disarm the population so that you can do whatever you want to them with no possibility of serious retaliation.
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