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  • Latest US Presidential Rankings

    Every few years, surveys of historians and scholarly experts on the history of the presidency are done. These can provide a useful guide for laypeople to help give a bit of historical context to the presidencies of our own lifetimes.

    The latest poll was of the 170 members of the American Political Science Association’s (APSA) "Presidents and Executive Politics" section.

    In this survey, Obama has reached the top-10, and is in 8th place, one place ahead of Ronald Amnesty-For-Immigrants Reagan.

    Trump is ranked dead last, even lower than James Buchanan - who's failures in office regarding the slavery issue are widely regarded as being a major factor in leading to the Civil War. The Republican scholars in the survey differed on this issue, however, as they only ranked Trump 5th from last rather than in last place.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    And this is significant, exactly how?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Trump is ranked dead last, even lower than James Buchanan - who's failures in office regarding the slavery issue are widely regarded as being a major factor in leading to the Civil War.
      That just shows you how worthless these academics are since they can't put aside their personal feelings about a president even when it comes to their life's work.
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        And this is significant, exactly how?
        Extreme liberals like Obama better than Trump!
        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        • #5
          I am not a fan of Trump, but any list that would put him under Buchanan is a joke.

          I also do not think any current president should be in contention for such lists, and they should only be eligible for ranking once their term is over.
          Last edited by Terraceth; 02-19-2018, 09:12 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
            I am not a fan of Trump, but any list that would put him under Buchanan is a joke.

            I also do not think any current president should be in contention for such lists, and they should only be eligible for ranking once their term is over.
            Even further from their term.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #7
              I see the media and starlight haven’t figured out yet that people are tired of ‘our betters’ always trying to tell us what to think or believe. If such a ranking was done in 1863, Lincoln would have rated at the bottom. Truman would have rated near the bottom in 1950 as well. History isn’t always as harsh as the contemporary audience is.
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #8
                It's hilarious how Starlight always seems to find some chart or poll that says exactly what he believes already, and then expects that to convince us. He is as bad as Shunyadragon in selective searching on google.

                The New York Times? As if they would even publish a poll that said anything different than Trump is dead last.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                  I am not a fan of Trump, but any list that would put him under Buchanan is a joke.

                  I also do not think any current president should be in contention for such lists, and they should only be eligible for ranking once their term is over.
                  Yeah, the ratings of presidents change significantly with passage of time.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    I see the media and starlight haven’t figured out yet that people are tired of ‘our betters’ always trying to tell us what to think or believe. If such a ranking was done in 1863, Lincoln would have rated at the bottom. Truman would have rated near the bottom in 1950 as well. History isn’t always as harsh as the contemporary audience is.
                    Heck, even with the benefit of hindsight, if we were to rate Lincoln completely on his first 2 years after taking office, there's very little to praise. At that point, his main accomplishment was getting a lot of people killed in the war. He did issue the Emancipation Proclamation, but the document at that time was nearly worthless (it gained considerable teeth when the North started winning the war, but prior to that was little more than a piece of feel-good propaganda). Pretty much everything he gets praised for occurred afterwards.

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                    • #11
                      Bush Jr.s approval rating now vs when he left office... Q.E.D.
                      That's what
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                        I am not a fan of Trump, but any list that would put him under Buchanan is a joke.

                        I also do not think any current president should be in contention for such lists, and they should only be eligible for ranking once their term is over.
                        I would say wait a generation before placing them so you can get a good measure just how effective they were or weren't.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          I see the media and starlight haven’t figured out yet that people are tired of ‘our betters’ always trying to tell us what to think or believe. If such a ranking was done in 1863, Lincoln would have rated at the bottom. Truman would have rated near the bottom in 1950 as well. History isn’t always as harsh as the contemporary audience is.
                          I suspect Obama is not going to fare well in the history books written 50- to 100-years from now when people are able to make an honest assessment of his administration.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            obama was mostly a lame duck and he'll probably end up being seen as such. unless he ends up in prison for spying on his political opponents.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              I suspect Obama is not going to fare well in the history books written 50- to 100-years from now when people are able to make an honest assessment of his administration.
                              It'll only be after there is another black president that many won't be terrified of being labelled a racist if they have the temerity to criticize him.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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