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    Minimum Wage Vs Automation

    Had a very interesting talk with a friend who is the owner/franchisee of a McDonald's.

    He told me that he has cut his labor costs by 31% by giving raises to his best workers, and letting a bunch of others go, and hiring these four guys....

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    He said they never call in sick, or show up late for work, or wanna go home early, they don't take smoke breaks, they're not constantly on their phones, they are all 4 bilingual, they are never rude to customers, they get every order exactly as the customer orders, and he only had to give them a sign-on bonus and a monthly maintenance fee which is WAY below the cost of employees.

    He also has a whole automated french fry baptizing system, so no "fry guys", and he said his kitchen runs a whole lot smoother.

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    Automation will create jobs as you have repairs, programming, product testing, and the legal and patent work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    Automation will create jobs as you have repairs, programming, product testing, and the legal and patent work.
    But those will be skilled jobs, not just baptizing french fries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But those will be skilled jobs, not just baptizing french fries.
    True. I have to wonder if low skill jobs will only become viable if minimum wage is erased.

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    My local McDonalds has about 8 of them. I never see anyone using them. The last time I was there the queue for the counter was long (~10 people) so I thought "why not skip the queue and use an ordering machine?". I spent 5 minutes trying to navigate the menus on the thing, couldn't find the items I wanted, gave up, and joined the queue at the counter which was shorter by then.

    I suggest asking your friend in a few months time what proportion of customers are using the machines vs ordering at the counter. Might be less than 1%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    Automation will create jobs as you have repairs, programming, product testing, and the legal and patent work.
    not nearly enough to make up for the jobs they replace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    My local McDonalds has about 8 of them. I never see anyone using them. The last time I was there the queue for the counter was long (~10 people) so I thought "why not skip the queue and use an ordering machine?". I spent 5 minutes trying to navigate the menus on the thing, couldn't find the items I wanted, gave up, and joined the queue at the counter which was shorter by then.
    So, you're not as smart as the average American?

    I suggest asking your friend in a few months time what proportion of customers are using the machines vs ordering at the counter. Might be less than 1%.
    He's had them for over 2 years. I just stopped to visit him today. I suggest you're dumber than a 5th grader.

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    mcdonalds here has them too and i see people using them all the time (well, all the time i go to mcdonalds, which is almost never because it's a terrible chain). there's nothing complicated about using them, and I doubt the ones in NZ are made extra hard to navigate just to frustrate starlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    mcdonalds here has them too and i see people using them all the time (well, all the time i go to mcdonalds, which is almost never because it's a terrible chain). there's nothing complicated about using them, and I doubt the ones in NZ are made extra hard to navigate just to frustrate starlight.
    I've seen them elsewhere, but never had the opportunity to ask an owner or manager about the economics. And, another factor in Texas is language - a lot of times the cashier doesn't speak enough English to make the transaction tolerable.

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    Even though I'm an introvert, I always choose not to use the kiosks wherever I go. Partially, so that people continue to have jobs, and that partially so that the payroll taxes still go to the state. I support bills that propose an automation tax to make up for the lost revenue from fired human workers. Flame away!
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