Opinions on Billy Graham

[Adrift]

Simmer down there Remonstrant!

[Sparko]

Simmer down there[,] Remonstrant!

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[Adrift]

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[Jedidiah]

OK then, why are you for gun control and/or gun banning?

Hypocrisy.

[carpedm9587]

No, that's your dishonest and disingenuous summary.

Is that the best fallback you guys can muster? Really?

You made a statement - I pointed out the ramification. If that makes me dishonest/disengenous... so be it.

Personally, I think these ad hom attacks are just a way of avoiding the discussion.

[carpedm9587]

That isn't how I read him at all.

So what was your interpretation of the post?

[carpedm9587]

well this thread is about Billy Graham which includes the BG rule. I only brought up guns to point out how you were being hypocritical. this is not the thread to discuss guns except in that context.

I was trying to get you to realize that you indeed do support 'policies that treat ALL people as untrustworkthy because a FEW people are.'

- so your objection to the BG rule based on that excuse falls flat.

No - I don't. I support a policy that has a mechnism for finding the people who are not trustworthy to own a deadly weapon. I do not apply it selectively to a specific gender, or race or any other attribute. Your argument is pretty far off, Sparko.


And with that - I'll sign off from this discussion. It has essentially become a string of ad homs with no content - so I see no purpose in continuing. Frankly, this time I won't be reading subsequent posts either. So have at it.

[Cow Poke]

And with that - I'll sign off from this discussion.

Take 112... Cut... it's a wrap!

[Cow Poke]

Is that the best fallback you guys can muster? Really?

It's not a "fallback" - you're simply wrong.

You made a statement - I pointed out the ramification. If that makes me dishonest/disengenous... so be it.

"disingenuous"

You as wrong about my statement as you are about the spelling of 'disingenuous' - AGAIN!

Personally, I think these ad hom attacks are just a way of avoiding the discussion.

"ad hom attacks"

[NorrinRadd]

There are a number of biblical teachings which can be cited. There is one I think you might understand.

"Abstain from all appearance of evil." From the Apostle Paul to the Thessalonian church. (1 Thessalonians 5:22) If nothing else the rule avoids the appearance of impropriety. That rule has served that purpose well.

That does not appear in any of the translations I use.

Even if it did, the context suggests it refers to testing prophecies.

[Cow Poke]

That does not appear in any of the translations I use.

Even if it did, the context suggests it refers to testing prophecies.

1 Thess 5:22 is among a bunch of admonitions and instructions.... it is not necessarily tied to the verse before it "as context".

KJV 12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

16 Rejoice evermore.

17 Pray without ceasing.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

25 Brethren, pray for us.

26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

[demi-conservative]

A truly great man has moved on.

I am curious, what are your view on Graham? I think that it can be phrased respectfully, even if one does disagree.

Unusual, no sexual sin, even though spending lots of months far away from wife and family. Without 'rule of graham' there would be scandal after scandal.

Devoted preacher, but family life suffered bad because father was not there most of time.

Dem, lib, so influenced by libs in some ways. Attack on nixon for using foul language, but excused Clinton's adultery.

Preaching style probably bad influence on those with less pure motives, also numbers of converts he got.

[The Remonstrant]

Of course[,] Jim, like all leftists you are terminally envious of any one who has more than you…

‘Leftists’? How did a thread regarding Billy Graham devolve so suddenly?

[The Remonstrant]

If you can truly know the trees by their fruit then there's a problem. But unlike carpe, I do have a problem with these multi-millionaire [C]hristian preachers. [emphasis added]

Yes, I understand.

[JonathanL]

The vast majority of Christians that I've encountered within my life (and certainly on this forum) would completely reject your second definition of "sinful nature". In fact, as far as I know, probably only the most extreme Calvinists, and perhaps a few way out there cultists like the Westboro church hold something like what you're suggesting.

I'm admittedly young and inexperienced with my mere 27 years, but if life has taught me anything it's that "Morally debased and corrupt" is a much more accurate description of human beings in general than "imperfect", or even "deeply flawed". Pretty much everyone does things almost entirely out of self-serving reasons, even when the act itself would be considered "good", or "selfless" from a moral perspective.