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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWho? I'd love to see the names of those persons who have disputed that guns are effective at killing.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYeah, I know that was a bit facetious but the point I want to make is that while banning guns might have an effect on the number of suicides committed by using a gun it probably won't effect the overall suicide rate. If someone wants to kill themself there are many ways to do it.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI'm not saying it is disputed, only that it seems that way to me. Posters on this forum, including Sparko, lilpixie, MM, rogue, Jedidiah, and yourself tend to downplay the effectiveness of guns compared to other methods of killing/self-harm because you don't want to see guns banned. I understand that desire, but I think it's ultimately not such a convincing argument.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostApparently gun suicide is pretty high, and it's of course incredibly lethal. Most attempted suicides are a call for help, and less lethal methods of suicide mean that people stay alive long enough to get the help they need. That isn't to say that there aren't other ways to commit lethal suicide, only that gun suicide is a popular option because it's easy to access a gun, and it's a sure way to get dead.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't know. Seems like a lot of people like to dispute that fact.Last edited by Jedidiah; 02-25-2018, 01:12 PM.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCommercials? How bout a little more focus on why so many drugs cause "thoughts of suicide"?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCan you show me where I've done that, please?
Here you pointed out that ISIS called for random knife attacks. By itself that doesn't mean anything, but it was in a thread where people were implying that knives were as effective to determined individuals as guns.
In this very thread you downplayed suicide by gun by asking if we should take guns away from cops. All of this has the effect of making it look like you don't think guns are really an issue, and that there are other methods that are just as effective as guns, so that isn't really the problem.
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostI imagine any drugs which are ‘downers’ or cause even mild depression would have this effect. Alcohol is an example. It’s just the drug companies being over cautious in their advertising- but I don’t get why they’re advertised on the telly in the first place (barring over the counter drugs such as paracetamol etc).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThose people crying out for help will not use a gun.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAn example of this, please. If there are actually a lot of such people you should find at least one here on TWeb, but quotes from someone who questions the effectiveness of guns for killing. You are distorting the posts by those you listed in your response to CP. I certainly never questioned the effectiveness of guns.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostSure, Here you started a thread called Knife Control! Yep, Next After Gun Control! and then posted, "When guns are hard to obtain, will killings stop? "
Here you pointed out that ISIS called for random knife attacks. By itself that doesn't mean anything, but it was in a thread where people were implying that knives were as effective to determined individuals as guns.
In this very thread you downplayed suicide by gun by asking if we should take guns away from cops. All of this has the effect of making it look like you don't think guns are really an issue, and that there are other methods that are just as effective as guns, so that isn't really the problem.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postwow"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow, I think your emotions are pooping on your reason. I'll respond to this after I take Mrs CP for some good ol' Mexican food.
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