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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo my #3 item is: A national database of gun ownership, with proper funding to ensure that it is maintained and interlinked with other databases to create the ability to raise those flags. Interestingly - there is precedent for this: the founding father actually saw this as an important part of maintaining a "well-regulated militia."
Constitutional rights when it comes to privacy have already been eroded considerably. Stop and frisk, search and seize, etc. And the US government is completely unconcerned with foreign hackers stealing the personal information of millions of government workers, to say nothing of a number of other privacy issues that could arise. There have been at least a couple of cases of anti-gun "journalists" publishing lists of gun owners in their newspapers."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostIf he left the house unlocked he is liable. If the kids broke in, he is not liable - my rational evaluation, not some legal gobbelty gook.
This is one reason why people actually advocate abolition - negligent gun owners."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postwow
EDIT: never mind - Adrift had already answered and I didn't see it until later.Last edited by Teallaura; 02-24-2018, 09:28 PM."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostVideo games as a weapons simulator? Hardly. They might teach you basic combat tactics, but they won't teach you a thing about how to properly handle a gun."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYour evaluation is irrational - you were fully aware that guns are controlled and cannot be legally possessed or operated by everyone. You made no attempt to secure the weapon from unauthorized use - which in the case of a weapon is negligence by definition. That weapon is YOUR responsibility and if you treat it so casually that little effort is required for someone to obtain it from you, you are being irresponsible and negligent.
This is one reason why people actually advocate abolition - negligent gun owners.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postwow
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostStop that - answer the question. Or heck - define proficiency. "Gun nut' and 'qualified shooter' aren't the same thing - unless you wanna just go ahead and concede that all gun enthusiasts/owners are nuts?
EDIT: never mind - Adrift had already answered and I didn't see it until later.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostStop that - answer the question. Or heck - define proficiency. "Gun nut' and 'qualified shooter' aren't the same thing - unless you wanna just go ahead and concede that all gun enthusiasts/owners are nuts?
EDIT: never mind - Adrift had already answered and I didn't see it until later.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis is supposed to be a sane discussion about guns, not a liberal nit pick fest."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostTeal is not exactly what I would call a liberal. Dismissing all disagreement with the pro-gun party line as a "liberal nit pick fest" is a good rhetorical way to squelch all discussion though.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]26628[/ATTACH]
How accurate is this?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostMy apologies to Teal and to you. That was a gut reaction and not done in the spirit of the thread.
It is pure nit pickery to require that I lock my guns in a separate locked box, inside the already locked box of my house. That is not sane at all. We, my wife and I, do keep our hand guns in the safe with the bolts from the rifles. This is not because I think I am somehow endangering society if I do not. It is purely because our pathological society would irrationally apply blame to me if the guns were stolen and used in a crime. All the limit access to guns ideas I have read fall into this same pathological pattern. It makes sense to blame the criminal for his crime, not blame the victim of a different crime. I do recognize that our society is moving further into this pathology every day, but that does not make it right or sane.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIf you just pulled it from http://www.romans322.com/daily-death...statistics.php then likely not very as it's already gone up 300 for Murder by Guns. And it also doesn't tell us how many of those suicides were by gun either.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI feel a need to clarify the post that bred this apology. I do strongly believe that any blame to the victim of a gun theft, for the gun related crime of whoever stole the gun is pathological. When society does this it is exhibiting a break from reality. The only person responsible for a crime is the person who committed it.
It is pure nit pickery to require that I lock my guns in a separate locked box, inside the already locked box of my house. That is not sane at all. We, my wife and I, do keep our hand guns in the safe with the bolts from the rifles. This is not because I think I am somehow endangering society if I do not. It is purely because our pathological society would irrationally apply blame to me if the guns were stolen and used in a crime. All the limit access to guns ideas I have read fall into this same pathological pattern. It makes sense to blame the criminal for his crime, not blame the victim of a different crime. I do recognize that our society is moving further into this pathology every day, but that does not make it right or sane.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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