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A Sane Discussion About Gun Violence
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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd what you'll never consider but choose instead to hand wave away:
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That gun violence has plummeted from the levels it was at a few decades ago while simultaneously the number of firearms in the hands of the public has skyrocketed. Hard to explain if the availability of guns is the cause of the violence.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnti gun folks claim to want one thing, but aim at something else - getting rid of guns. Carpe is not the only one who seems blind to information that does not support their goal. I have made one suggestion which has been mostly ignored because it points to increasing individual responsibility, and individuals paying the price for their actions.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnti gun folks claim to want one thing, but aim at something else - getting rid of guns. Carpe is not the only one who seems blind to information that does not support their goal. I have made one suggestion which has been mostly ignored because it points to increasing individual responsibility, and individuals paying the price for their actions.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNot getting rid of guns - but I now DO want ownership of guns to be treated as a privilege to be earned
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDo you have a similar view of speech?
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe press?
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostReligion?
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHow about not being routinely searched on a whim?
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAre these privileges as well in your mind?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Double standard much?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI would have thought "getting rid of guns" is a worthwhile objective. Australia has virtually none in private hands and hasn't had a mass shooting for decades.
Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostAustralia is often hailed as an example to how effective the gun ban has been. And the facts bear out that mass SHOOTINGS have decreased by quite a lot. Using the figures from this Wikipedia article (I did not fact check all of it) 21 years prior to the ban there were 117 total mass killings (1975 - 1996). Of those, 112 were mass shootings.
In the 21 years (plus a couple of months) since the gun ban, (1996 - Present) there have been 113 mass killings, but only 27 were mass shootings. However, the mass killing rate is statistically flat. How is the gun ban supposed to have helped? As rogue said, are they any less dead because they were not killed with a gun? I would much rather die of a gun shot wound than to die in a fire, burning to death...
By Giovanni Torre
May 11, 2018
PERTH, Australia — The Western Australia police on Saturday identified seven people, including four children, who were found dead from gunshot wounds the day before in what was the country’s worst mass shooting in more than 20 years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/w...ret-river.html"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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I think this picture says more than many words: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...otings-cartoon
Due to copyright issues, I did not want to put it in my own post, but I agree with the main point that we get the thoughts and prayers from a man who is either unwilling or incapable of understanding reality."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDouble standard much?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostThis oft cited "fact" is 100% false. I already posted this in another thread to answer this objection...maybe you missed it?
There have been 27 people killed in mass shootings since Australia's "Gun Ban. There was a mass shooting in Australia this month (May 11, 2018) in Australia, the worse since the gun ban...
By Giovanni Torre
May 11, 2018
PERTH, Australia — The Western Australia police on Saturday identified seven people, including four children, who were found dead from gunshot wounds the day before in what was the country’s worst mass shooting in more than 20 years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/w...ret-river.html
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/
OTOH: There have been 101 mass shootings in the US so far in 2018 alone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-m...is-year-2018-2“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostEvil people will find a way to be evil.Last edited by Roy; 05-21-2018, 07:28 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo
So if you think heavily regulating the possession of firearms in the name of public safety is justified then you are exhibiting a double standard.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Roy View Post...and you are providing a map.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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There were some. Loner, neo-Nazi, wore trench coats even when a coat wasn't necessary. He apparently had a custom made T-shirt reading, 'born to kill'; he posted a picture of it to FB a couple weeks ago.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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