Originally posted by Teallaura
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
Civics 101 Guidelines
Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less
A Sane Discussion About Gun Violence
Collapse
X
-
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
-
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostY'all need a definition of 'proficient'. I can shoot safely - but that doesn't mean I can effectively fight an urban warfare scenario.
Also, kids have simulators at home called video games. You don't need a lot of target practice if you have a lot of simulator time logged. It's not that hard to get used to recoil.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostCP is making your case for abolition here.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI'll admit I'm not a gun user so I could be wrong, but I highly question how effective as a simulator a video game is due to the many apparent differences between them and real life. Driving games certainly did essentially nothing to prepare me for learning how to actually drive.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View Post...Honestly, since I think focusing on things like magazine size is missing the bigger picture....
...but he keeps repeating the idea that mass shooters are proficient....
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn this case, the guy was a gun nut - I think there's no reason in the world to believe that 'swapping magazines' was not something he practiced, as he bragged he was going to be "a professional school shooter".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostIt puts more (way too much authority in the nanny state. I have no trust in them at all. Have you ever worked for the post office? I did once as a temp when I was in college. That has colored my view of big government, and that coloring has been reinforced over the following 50 some year.
Comment
-
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostNot really. I just wanted to see what evidence you had for the claim.
Is THAT better?
(And I suspect that you're aware that part of the functionality of the AR-15 is that the magazine slides in easily, ejects easily, and does not have to be "rocked" or "cammed" into place?)Last edited by Cow Poke; 02-24-2018, 04:40 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe claim that a shooter would be (changing the word here) 'sufficiently capable' of swapping magazines, such that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference whether a magazine has 8 or 30 rounds?
Is THAT better?
(And I suspect that you're aware that part of the functionality of the AR-15 is that the magazine slides in easily, ejects easily, and does not have to be "rocked" or "cammed" into place?)
I knew this one dude who was a hardcore gun enthusiast who took his BDUs and dyed them black, and then ran around base at night, jumping from shadow to shadow thinking he was a ninja. He got discharged not long after for showing up to duty drunk. Worst part is that he used my pots and pans to dye his uniform because we shared a kitchen, and ruined them all. I knew another gun nut, who'd thumb through gun and knife magazines all day, who used to buy all his own gear rather than that provided for him. He thought it was all super tactical, but it was noisy, and messy, and just loaded him down. He was the laziest Airman in our squad. Eventually got discharged for wearing night-vision goggles while patrolling, and drove into a ditch and ruined a Humvee. Another hardcore Soldier of Fortune type I knew was just plain crazy. Wimpy dude, that was probably bullied a lot in school. Had a weird stare, would talk to himself, and when talking to others would only go on about the guns he owned, or professional wrestling. Totally kooky guy who couldn't seem to do anything right. For some dumb reason, to keep him away from others, they put him in the armory, until he shot the barrel unloading an M16. Then they got rid of him. I knew a bunch of others guys in the Airforce who were like that too, and the horror stories from my Army friends make me think it was worse there.Last edited by Adrift; 02-24-2018, 05:12 PM.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostWe had a training simulator back in tech school in the Air Force that we used for a couple weeks, but I didn't really help much. Normal video games don't provide much help in the way of firing real guns. Maybe there's some hand to eye coordination stuff going on, but probably not.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Comment
-
Originally posted by Adrift View PostWe had a training simulator back in tech school in the Air Force that we used for a couple weeks, but I didn't really help much. Normal video games don't provide much help in the way of firing real guns. Maybe there's some hand to eye coordination stuff going on, but probably not.
Comment
-
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostMuch as I want to stand and applaud the overall message - this is a discussion fraught with emotion and condescension. Please be careful, in this thread, to keep it respectful. If I call MM on "stupid," I have to call you on "dumb."
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI know the military has some combat simulators, but I'm pretty sure those are considerably different (and more high-tech) than the "simulators called video games" that "kids at home" have.
That effect has been noted by the military."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn this case, the guy was a gun nut - I think there's no reason in the world to believe that 'swapping magazines' was not something he practiced, as he bragged he was going to be "a professional school shooter".
The school is a gun-free zone - pretty much the opposite of "urban warfare". There is no return fire - he has plenty of time to swap magazines as he moved throughout the building.
do tell"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn answer to Sparko's question, you did.
Even if it wasn't a legal or civil remedy, I would feel horrible if an innocent person were killed with a weapon I owned."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by eider, Today, 06:00 AM
|
1 response
5 views
0 likes
|
Last Post Today, 06:32 AM | ||
Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 03:54 PM
|
0 responses
6 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Cow Poke
Yesterday, 03:54 PM
|
||
Started by rogue06, Yesterday, 12:05 PM
|
7 responses
58 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by seanD
Yesterday, 05:10 PM
|
||
Started by seer, 05-09-2024, 04:14 PM
|
32 responses
185 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by seer
Today, 04:50 AM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, 05-09-2024, 01:20 PM
|
6 responses
49 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Mountain Man
05-09-2024, 03:07 PM
|
Comment