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    Neanderthal cave art found in Spain

    ~64,000 to 60,000 year old Neanderthal cave art found

    Source: https://www.inverse.com/article/41551-neanderthal-cave-art-archeology-human



    Groundbreaking research published Thursday in Science throws a wrench into all that. In the paper, an international team of scientists, discovering that cave paintings in three sites across Spain are collectively between 64,000 and 66,000 years old, report that there’s no way those cave paintings could have been made by early Homo sapiens. At that time, there was only one species of hominin living in Spain that could have made this art — not humans, who arrived 40,000 years ago, but the Neanderthals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    ~64,000 to 60,000 year old Neanderthal cave art found

    Source: https://www.inverse.com/article/41551-neanderthal-cave-art-archeology-human



    Groundbreaking research published Thursday in Science throws a wrench into all that. In the paper, an international team of scientists, discovering that cave paintings in three sites across Spain are collectively between 64,000 and 66,000 years old, report that there’s no way those cave paintings could have been made by early Homo sapiens. At that time, there was only one species of hominin living in Spain that could have made this art — not humans, who arrived 40,000 years ago, but the Neanderthals.

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    You call that art?

    Also the date is controversial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by element771 View Post
    You call that art?
    Have you seen some most of the stuff being made today (or for several decades) that is called art
    Last edited by rogue06; 02-26-2018 at 11:13 PM.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Have you seen some most of the stuff being made today (or for several decades) that is called art
    That's affirm.

    I still think it is a real stretch to say that it is art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by element771 View Post
    You call that art?
    Picasso would.


    Also the date is controversial.
    Document how controversial. After reviewing the publication and data I do not believe any scientists find this method controversial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Picasso would.
    Its sort of a hashtag.


    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    After reviewing the publication and data I do not believe any scientists find this method controversial.
    Yes because scientists typically communicate that there method is controversial in their own paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by element771 View Post
    Its sort of a hashtag.




    Yes because scientists typically communicate that there method is controversial in their own paper.
    Actually I've read papers where the researchers note that the methods used weren't completely satisfactory and say that they plan to continue their analysis and what they're going to do next.

    In any case it would still be a good idea for you to explain why you think it is controversial

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Actually I've read papers where the researchers note that the methods used weren't completely satisfactory and say that they plan to continue their analysis and what they're going to do next.

    In any case it would still be a good idea for you to explain why you think it is controversial
    In the past part of the line between human and other related species and sub-species was the ability graphically represent and communicate their ideas, ie art work. If these are Neanderthal graphic illustrations this would blur the line of our species with our ancestors and other related sub-species and species.

    I share this view that lines between related species and sub-species is not as clear as some would think. I believe the process of evolution is more a continuum over time and place and not specific species somehow evolve to one or more species.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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