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Originally posted by guacamole View PostWe've had union teachers fired for all sorts of stuff. The due process is protected by the union so that you can't lose your job over stuff like internal politics and false accusations.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIn New York City unions have made it virtually impossible to fire a teacher -- including some convicted of committing felonies. They literally have buildings set aside for these teachers to go to (since they were already removed from the classroom), sit down and play games on their phone, listen to music, play Sudoku or whatever -- and still collect their check.Last edited by seer; 02-27-2018, 02:11 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt is very likely that the union will ignore your case in a deal they made to get one of their personal friends their job back. That was so prevalent at Lockheed-Martin here in Georgia that union membership dropped to nearly half of what it was just a decade ago (note, this happened in the late 90s or thereabout so membership may have started to pick back up).
When we did go on strike, we received "strike pay" of $42 a week. As OtherCheek would say .. big whoop!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIn New York City unions have made it virtually impossible to fire a teacher -- including some convicted of committing felonies. They literally have buildings set aside for these teachers to go to (since they were already removed from the classroom), sit down and play games on their phone, listen to music, play Sudoku or whatever -- and still collect their check.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd we have to remember when a public sector union is negotiating a contract its adversary is us, the citizens. And like with your example in NY (which is a fact) these unions often run counter to the good of a society.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt is very likely that the union will ignore your case in a deal they made to get one of their personal friends their job back. That was so prevalent at Lockheed-Martin here in Georgia that union membership dropped to nearly half of what it was just a decade ago (note, this happened in the late 90s or thereabout so membership may have started to pick back up)."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIn New York City unions have made it virtually impossible to fire a teacher -- including some convicted of committing felonies. They literally have buildings set aside for these teachers to go to (since they were already removed from the classroom), sit down and play games on their phone, listen to music, play Sudoku or whatever -- and still collect their check."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd we have to remember when a public sector union is negotiating a contract its adversary is us, the citizens. And like with your example in NY (which is a fact) these unions often run counter to the good of a society. Or like what is happening with the teacher strike in West Virginia which is going on right now."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThat's about what happens with corrupt unions that don't do what they're supposed to do.
Seriously, back when I was a cop, there was an effort to unionize our police department - we would become part of the Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union at that time.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou repeat yourself.
Seriously, back when I was a cop, there was an effort to unionize our police department - we would become part of the Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union at that time."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThis is like legendary stuff--and I mean that in a bad way. There are ways to fire bad teachers. My district has turned out plenty, even with strong union protection.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostMore legendary stuff. The worst or the unions become representations of all unions.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTeachers unions would have a lot more credibility if they held their own members to a more reasonable standard -- like, "we'll have your back as long as you don't....""Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostLike.... my union?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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