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  • #16
    Originally posted by TheWall View Post
    I seriously doubt that many gun owners would go around as thugs. If anything i think those who support just causes and self defense wpuld opppse those very people.
    Yeppers - you reacted to exactly one point - obviously not intended to mean every one (really, how many people do you think are gonna build a trebuchet, let alone try to aim it at a school yard - so how 'generally ' could the set be?). I treated your hypothetical seriously - but you didn't extend the same courtesy to me.

    So the whole thing was just a gotcha, exactly as it appeared to begin with. Lesson learned, I won't ever give you that benefit of the doubt again.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      Okay, present company excepted - you already said you were planning on world domination.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        Yeppers - you reacted to exactly one point - obviously not intended to mean every one (really, how many people do you think are gonna build a trebuchet, let alone try to aim it at a school yard - so how 'generally ' could the set be?). I treated your hypothetical seriously - but you didn't extend the same courtesy to me.

        So the whole thing was just a gotcha, exactly as it appeared to begin with. Lesson learned, I won't ever give you that benefit of the doubt again.

        Unsubscribing.
        Ma'am if I may what I said is also more complex than one may think.
        You bring up a resurgence of melee combat. With that resurgence I see some things. One of those being the ideas of a resurgence of some interesting philosophical positions some good some evil.
        One would be something akin to the honorable knight. Another would be something akin to Munenori's concept of the life giving and death dealing sword. Another would be justice equals might as Thrysmachus claimed in the Republic.

        As Marcus Aerulias said " It is folly to not expect evil people to do bad things". I have no doubt that good and evil people would exist in this scenario. They exist in reality after all.

        I also want to apologize. I have knee jerk responses against those who don't like weapons. I have no doubt you and I care deeply about life.
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        • #19
          Someone please tell teal that I never meant to make her upset.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Yeppers - you reacted to exactly one point - obviously not intended to mean every one (really, how many people do you think are gonna build a trebuchet, let alone try to aim it at a school yard - so how 'generally ' could the set be?). I treated your hypothetical seriously - but you didn't extend the same courtesy to me.

            So the whole thing was just a gotcha, exactly as it appeared to begin with. Lesson learned, I won't ever give you that benefit of the doubt again.

            Unsubscribing.
            Been there done that. Hurled a chunk of concrete weighing nearly 200 lbs. the length of a football field.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              If all guns ceased to exist (along with the technology to make new ones) then gun violence would immediately end. Every fort/base on the planet would have to be rebuilt (since if guns go, so do cannon and mortar - a gun is nothing but a tiny cannon). Militaries would have a heck of a time retooling - and chain mail would make a comeback.

              'Impulse' killings would be greatly reduced. Murder conviction rates would dramatically rise and the immediate murder rate would drop (killers have to retool, too). Killing and injuring in self defense would rise dramatically (because archery ain't that easy, bows aren't concealable and knives mean you get way too close to be immune from attack).

              Gun enthusiasts would cry - a lot.

              The world would not suddenly become perfect because people won't.

              AntiGC's will be mad at those who supported GC and start building crossbows to 'show them' by becoming the very monsters they said they weren't. ProGC's will feel better about sending their kids to school - until some idiot takes a trebuchet to a playground because he doesn't like the new building blocking his view.

              Life will go on. Humans will always find something to fuss over.





              As an argument, this exercise is really stupid - antiGC's will assume, falsely, that 'no guns' should equal 'no violence' and complain that since violence will still occur, ending guns wasn't a good thing. ProGC's will complain, probably correctly, that you're characterizing their positions falsely. Accomplishment nil.
              IIRC, there have been a couple studies that show that the further back in time we go (which means our weapons get increasingly more primitive along the way), the more likely it is that you would die as a result of violence.

              Just sayin.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                If all guns dissapeared right now what would happen? Or more accurately what would possibly happen?.

                If you asked me it would be short lived.
                The world would be a better place if guns did not exist.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  The world would be a better place if guns did not exist.
                  The universe would be a better place if sin did not exist.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
                    The universe would be a better place if sin did not exist.
                    Truth.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
                      The universe would be a better place if sin did not exist.
                      While that should go without saying, it needed saying.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
                        The universe would be a better place if sin did not exist.
                        Obviously, if we were perfect the world would be a better place, but the question was about guns, not human nature.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Obviously, if we were perfect the world would be a better place, but the question was about guns, not human nature.
                          And there you have it --- were human nature better, guns would not be a problem. But liberals refuse to look at the cause of why these shooters are crazing out in the first place. Much easier - blame guns.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            And there you have it --- were human nature better, guns would not be a problem. But liberals refuse to look at the cause of why these shooters are crazing out in the first place. Much easier - blame guns.
                            Yeah, I guess we liberals should consider the possibility of making human beings perfect, rather than addressing the problem of guns knowing that we are not perfect.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Yeah, I guess we liberals should consider the possibility of making human beings perfect,
                              That's just dumb. Nobody suggested that - I specifically said "look at the cause", not "make humans perfect".

                              rather than addressing the problem of guns knowing that we are not perfect.
                              The guns don't jump up and run into schools and shoot people. Millions and millions of guns never shoot anybody.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Millions and millions of guns never shoot anybody.
                                Billions of humans never shoot anybody either.
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