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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    No, you nutters are amusingly getting your hopes up because you think that a tiny piece of translation of interview comments about getting tough on crime (a standard right-wing trope, unsurprising given she's right-wing), somehow implies that she's done a complete 180 on her strong commitments to a policy of high immigration and now buys into your ignorant and hysterical fantasies with regard to Muslim immigration, when that wasn't what she was talking about.
    Sorry, I missed the part where they made you her spokesnut.

    Even in December 2016 she was already changing her tune...

    Angela Merkel laid out her case for a fourth term as German chancellor on Tuesday, seeking to energize her conservatives with a call to ban full-face Muslim veils and the promise of a tougher stance on immigration after a record influx of refugees.

    Speaking to a party congress of her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) in Essen, the western rust belt city where she won the party leadership 16 years ago, Merkel sought to present herself as a guarantor of stability in an uncertain world.

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    Merkel's decision to allow the migrant influx last year hit her popularity, triggered a damaging fight with her Bavarian allies and led to a surge in support for the anti-immigrant, eurosceptic Alternative for Germany (AfD). The party is expected to win its first seats in the federal parliament next year.

    In a nod to these troubles, Merkel began her speech with a promise not to allow a repetition of last year's migrant influx, when nearly 900,000 migrants poured into Germany, and drew cheers when she said the Muslim full-face veil was not compatible with German culture.

    "Here we say 'show your face'. So full veiling is not appropriate here. It should be prohibited wherever legally possible," she said in a speech that lasted an hour and a quarter and was followed by 11 minutes of applause.

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    Doesn't sound at all like a "strong commitment to a policy of high immigration", does it?

    You're almost as ignorant about things German as you are things US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Even in December 2016 she was already changing her tune...
    She's hedging a little, not exactly the same thing as doing a 180. It's temporary political strategy because she's trying to negotiate a coalition deal with an anti-immigrant party so she's trying to offer a bit of a compromise, and her own super-high-immigration policies haven't been wildly popular.

    Doesn't sound at all like a "strong commitment to a policy of high immigration", does it?
    She had the immigration rate at 3x what the US has it at. She's saying it won't continue to be that high. That doesn't mean it won't still be much higher than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    She's hedging a little...


    You are such a pantload!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    She's hedging a little, not exactly the same thing as doing a 180. It's temporary political strategy because she's trying to negotiate a coalition deal with an anti-immigrant party so she's trying to offer a bit of a compromise, and her own super-high-immigration policies haven't been wildly popular.
    ?????????? The SPD, the political party in question, isn't anti-immigrant at all. In fact, the sticking point in regards to immigration between the two parties in negotiations was that the SPD wanted more lenient immigration policies for refugees than Merkel's party did. Your description of the situation is essentially the exact opposite of what's happening.
    Last edited by Terraceth; 03-04-2018 at 04:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    ?????????? The SPD, the political party in question, isn't anti-immigrant at all.
    I was referring to the AfD (small anti-immigration party), the first party that Merkel (CDU/CSU primary right-wing party) tried to negotiate a coalition with. Since the election in September, Merkel has been trying to negotiate a coalition govt. With the SPD (primary left-wing party) initially ruling out a repeat of the previous coalition with Merkel, Merkel was forced to try to negotiate with the anti-immigration AfD. Cow Poke's quote of Merkel talking about toning down immigration comes from a point in time when she was still trying to get an agreement from the anti-immigration AfD or looking at a new election having to be called. This year, over the past couple of months, the SPD party has come to the table and negotiated with Merkel, because they don't really want another election. As of today it seems unclear whether the SPD will accept the coalition deal being offered, or reject it and force a new election. I haven't been following the specifics of the SPD/CDU coalition deal, so I'm not sure what the issues are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Looks like politicians tell truth when desperate!!!
    Every country has what could be called no go areas, including your own Russian homeland I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Every country has what could be called no go areas, including your own Russian homeland I'm sure.
    Although the right-wing fantasy fiction writers here seem to think 'no go areas' are much more than simply the wrong side of the train tracks or bad neighborhoods. In their fantasies, these areas aren't just an average bad part of town that has higher than average crime rates, they have something to do with immigration and specifically to do with Muslims, and are some sort of Sharia Muslim strongholds that the police can't enter.

    I'll confess I'm not sure how they imagine the police-can't-enter part works because obviously civilians don't have guns in general in Europe, so obviously nothing could stop the police entering... I assume the US right-wingers are projecting their own ideas of some sort of fortified Christian secessionist cult group in Montana (that the police are afraid to go near because they've stockpiled more firearms than the average military base) onto European Muslims (who largely don't have firearms, cos gun control) and aren't as violent or crazy as some of the US Christian groups. In the US right-wing fantasy, in these fictional Muslim controlled zones, Sharia law is enforced (somehow?) and police don't go (not sure why?).

    Also as we discussed in a previous thread, the current US ambassador to the Netherlands was taken to task by Dutch media for his absurd claim that there were Muslim-caused no-go zones in the Netherlands and cars and politicians being set on fire by Muslims, which he promptly lied about and claimed he'd never said it and called it 'fake-news' and then immediately lied one minute later by denying he'd just used the words 'fake news'... and a month later the Dutch media still wasn't letting him get away with his fantasy claims about the crazy things Muslims were supposedly doing in the Netherlands:



    If only the US media had a tenth as much of a spine to stand up to the right-wing BS fantasy fiction claims as the Dutch media does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    ...so I'm not sure what the issues are.
    Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    ?????????? The SPD, the political party in question, isn't anti-immigrant at all. In fact, the sticking point in regards to immigration between the two parties in negotiations was that the SPD wanted more lenient immigration policies for refugees than Merkel's party did. Your description of the situation is essentially the exact opposite of what's happening.
    So, a typical Starlight post then?

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    Hey guys, don't forget, Starlight knows more about every other country than anyone else, even though he probably has never even left New Zealand.

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