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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Hey guys, don't forget, Starlight knows more about every other country than anyone else, even though he probably has never even left New Zealand.
    Have you got anything of substance to prove him wrong or did you think we would just be satisfied with a personal attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Although the right-wing fantasy fiction writers here seem to think 'no go areas' are much more than simply the wrong side of the train tracks or bad neighborhoods. In their fantasies, these areas aren't just an average bad part of town that has higher than average crime rates, they have something to do with immigration and specifically to do with Muslims, and are some sort of Sharia Muslim strongholds that the police can't enter.

    I'll confess I'm not sure how they imagine the police-can't-enter part works because obviously civilians don't have guns in general in Europe, so obviously nothing could stop the police entering... I assume the US right-wingers are projecting their own ideas of some sort of fortified Christian secessionist cult group in Montana (that the police are afraid to go near because they've stockpiled more firearms than the average military base) onto European Muslims (who largely don't have firearms, cos gun control) and aren't as violent or crazy as some of the US Christian groups. In the US right-wing fantasy, in these fictional Muslim controlled zones, Sharia law is enforced (somehow?) and police don't go (not sure why?).

    Also as we discussed in a previous thread, the current US ambassador to the Netherlands was taken to task by Dutch media for his absurd claim that there were Muslim-caused no-go zones in the Netherlands and cars and politicians being set on fire by Muslims, which he promptly lied about and claimed he'd never said it and called it 'fake-news' and then immediately lied one minute later by denying he'd just used the words 'fake news'... and a month later the Dutch media still wasn't letting him get away with his fantasy claims about the crazy things Muslims were supposedly doing in the Netherlands:



    If only the US media had a tenth as much of a spine to stand up to the right-wing BS fantasy fiction claims as the Dutch media does.
    Yep, I understand, but there is nothing in the article, nothing in Merkles words, other than the suggestion by the journalist, that she was talking about Muslim strongholds where even police are afraid to go. Demi-conservetard is a cherry picking, fake news dispencer, so I don't take anything he posts seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Have you got anything of substance to prove him wrong or did you think we would just be satisfied with a personal attack?
    And once again Tweb's very own net Nanny comes in clucking and demonstrating his selective outrage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    I was referring to the AfD (small anti-immigration party), the first party that Merkel (CDU/CSU primary right-wing party) tried to negotiate a coalition with. Since the election in September, Merkel has been trying to negotiate a coalition govt. With the SPD (primary left-wing party) initially ruling out a repeat of the previous coalition with Merkel, Merkel was forced to try to negotiate with the anti-immigration AfD. Cow Poke's quote of Merkel talking about toning down immigration comes from a point in time when she was still trying to get an agreement from the anti-immigration AfD or looking at a new election having to be called.
    Well, you said that "[Merkel]'s trying to negotiate a coalition deal with an anti-immigration party" i.e. with present tense conjugation, so it certainly looked like you were speaking in the present tense, hence my assumption you were referring to the current situation and the much more recent quote in the OP, not the older quote that Cow Poke was referring to. Especially because, as far as I can tell, Merkel's party never did try to negotiate a coalition with the AFD. Maybe they did and I missed it, but from everything I can tell once the attempt to form the coalition with the Greens and FDP fell through, they went back to the SPD and tried to reform a coalition with them without any attempt at the AFD (such an idea would be questionable anyway, as it wouldn't give them a majority). Again, I admit I could have completely missed this attempt, but I would appreciate a source indicating that there was an attempt to negotiate such a deal.

    However, even if there was such an attempt between the falling out of the FDP and Greens and the re-attempt to form a coalition with the SPD, that would have been around December 2017. Cow Poke's quote in question is from December 2016. So it doesn't make any sense to try to ascribe circumstances that didn't arise until a year later for why Merkel made the statements she did back in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    After Rotherham I don't believe a word European leftists say about these issues anymore.
    Did all European leftists say something about Rotherham? Or are you generalizing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    that would have been around December 2017. Cow Poke's quote in question is from December 2016.
    Oops. My bad on that one, I was thinking it was 2017.

    In related news, I see that the SPD has approved the coalition agreement, and Merkel's forming another Grand Coalition government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Have you got anything of substance to prove him wrong or did you think we would just be satisfied with a personal attack?
    Yes.

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    It's kind of funny how afraid people are of certain areas needlessly, like when people say "Don't go east of Troost in Kansas City or you'll get killed!" ad nauseum. I cross Troost all the time, the vast majority of the area is really not that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    It's kind of funny how afraid people are of certain areas needlessly, like when people say "Don't go east of Troost in Kansas City or you'll get killed!" ad nauseum. I cross Troost all the time, the vast majority of the area is really not that bad.
    To be fair, passing through an area, especially in the safety of a vehicle, is a lot different than spending time in the area itself.

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