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  • #31
    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    What, with the other millions of us who believe Trump to be treasonous.
    Stupidity is pretty common, indeed.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      In your own profoundly ignorant opinion, of course. Fortunately, you're not in authority over anything at all.
      Given the headlines get worse everyday, it would be hard to see how Trump's not going to go down.

      Here's a bunch from today:
      -Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg called before grand jury, says he will refuse to go
      -Trump dossier author reportedly told Mueller that Russia asked Trump not to appoint Romney as Secretary of State
      -Jane Mayer: Trump Team Was in Routine Communication With Moscow in 2016
      -Former Trump adviser Sam Nunberg tells MSNBC's Katy Tur: 'Trump very well may have done something during the election'
      -Russia takes credit for getting Trump to reject Mitt Romney as secretary of state
      -Police enter lobby of Trump Hotel in Panama, attempt to evict Trump staff
      -British intelligence reportedly told the CIA months before the election that Trump's campaign had illicit contacts with Russia
      (can't be bothered putting in all the links, if you want to read the articles, copy and paste those headlines into google)

      Those are from a single day (or possibly yesterday for some of them). And that's getting to be a typical amount of Trump scandals per day, and it's been gradually getting worse not better. I get that you have your head shoved firmly in the sand CP, and are singing "la la la" with your ears covered. But in the real world things aren't looking good for Trump at all. I've gone from thinking "Mueller might think about trying to charge Trump with obstruction of justice for firing Comey or he might decide it's not worth it" to "Mueller's going to charge Trump with multiple serious charges, quite possibly with over a hundred charges depending on exactly how they group them."
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Given the headlines get worse everyday, it would be hard to see how Trump's not going to go down.
        Two words... President Pence.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Two words... President Pence.
          Well that would still be Trump leaving office, even if there were subsequently mass pardons.

          Personally I find the pardon power horrifically immoral (we have nothing remotely like it here and I find it totally shocking). To just let criminals go free of justice - especially because they have political connections is beyond unacceptable and totally morally offensive.

          It's also super-sad that the supposed "law and order" party are the ones pardoning their own presidents (Nixon, soon to be Trump).
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Well that would still be Trump leaving office, even if there were subsequently mass pardons.

            Personally I find the pardon power horrifically immoral (we have nothing remotely like it here and I find it totally shocking). To just let criminals go free of justice - especially because they have political connections is beyond unacceptable and totally morally offensive.

            It's also super-sad that the supposed "law and order" party are the ones pardoning their own presidents (Nixon, soon to be Trump).
            I said nothing about pardons - I have repeatedly made it clear that I'm not a Trump supporter - that's just you goofy liberals using twisted logic.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              I said nothing about pardons - I have repeatedly made it clear that I'm not a Trump supporter - that's just you goofy liberals using twisted logic.
              Regardless, if you, like I, said before the election "Trump is the lesser of two evils," that means you are an avid Trump supporter according to some.
              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                Regardless, if you, like I, said before the election "Trump is the lesser of two evils," that means you are an avid Trump supporter according to some.
                EGGzackly!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                  Regardless, if you, like I, said before the election "Trump is the lesser of two evils," that means you are an avid Trump supporter according to some.
                  In my view a vote is a vote is a vote and so casting that vote out of avid enthusiasm and casting that vote out of holding your nose and voting for the lesser of the two evils both result in identical amounts of contribution toward him being elected, and thus both result in identical amounts of moral responsibility for the things that he does in office. You don't get to skate free of the moral responsibility for your action by saying that you weren't really that enthusiastic about it when you did it, because you still did it.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    In my view...
                    Yeah, we know about some of your views, and they generally suck pondwater.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      My new ringtone is Fergie’s Star-Spangled Banner.
                      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                      “not all there” - you know who you are

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        My new ringtone is Fergie’s Star-Spangled Banner.
                        Not sure why you'd subject yourself to that. I just watched 10 seconds of the video of it... and what horrified me was not the singing but was just how over the top the patriotism was with a massive flag on the field and a hundred or so cheerleaders and bands spelling out USA. It's supposed to be a sporting match not a North Korean propaganda video... there's something psychologically wrong with the viewers/country to have that happening.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Not sure why you'd subject yourself to that. I just watched 10 seconds of the video of it... and what horrified me was not the singing but was just how over the top the patriotism was with a massive flag on the field and a hundred or so cheerleaders and bands spelling out USA. It's supposed to be a sporting match not a North Korean propaganda video... there's something psychologically wrong with the viewers/country to have that happening.
                          Yeah, I answer my phone real quick.
                          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                          “not all there” - you know who you are

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Yeah, we know...
                            It's amazing how quickly US conservatives, despite spouting mantras about "personal responsibility" for others, themselves run from and deny all personal responsibility when it comes to their own actions like the effects of their own vote or the effects of the gun policies they support or the effects of wars they support. Don't be cowards, own your moral responsibility for your actions and political policies.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              It's amazing how quickly US conservatives...
                              ...get really tired hearing crap from people outside the country who don't have a clue how things work in this country --- or, as you have recently demonstrated, in Germany?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                ...get really tired hearing crap from people outside the country who don't have a clue how things work in this country
                                I pity you for how you can't even defend yourself and have to pretend to yourself that my views don't matter because I'm a foreigner just because you don't have any reasonable answers to my points.

                                Sad!
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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