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  • #61
    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    Still better than FOX or Brietbart by miles.
    To the liberal sure. Too bad CNN and MSNBC are as much liberal mouth pieces as you accuse Fox or Brietbart as being. Difference is while I’m well aware that they are just meat puppets that tow the party line, you seem to live under the impression CNN and MSNBC are not too. Both are mouth pieces of their respective side and sooner people figure that out the better.

    BTW I don’t watch 24 hour news and I only read Brietbart when I see links on other sites or here.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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    • #62
      Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
      To the liberal sure. Too bad CNN and MSNBC are as much liberal mouth pieces as you accuse Fox or Brietbart as being. Difference is while I’m well aware that they are just meat puppets that tow the party line, you seem to live under the impression CNN and MSNBC are not too. Both are mouth pieces of their respective side and sooner people figure that out the better.

      BTW I don’t watch 24 hour news and I only read Brietbart when I see links on other sites or here.
      I don't watch CNN or MSNBC either.

      As for Brietbart, I'm convinced they are a parody site of conservatism at this point.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
        As for Brietbart, I'm convinced they are a parody site of conservatism at this point.
        Nah it's just that US conservatives have become a parody of conservativism. Breitbart just shows you how crazy they actually are.

        The US seems to be moving towards a realignment of the parties, toward matching the political spectrum seen in the rest of the Western world. We can see this movement in a couple of things: The US conservative movement is off the deep end well beyond sanity and is hemorrhaging members as the crazy becomes too much for people, and it's also rapidly aging out; The Democratic party is currently very big tent and has within itself what the rest of the Western world would regard as Left-Wing (the Progressives) and Right-Wing (the Corporatists / neo-liberals / Hillary people) which are increasingly at odds within the one party. There are a number of ways the realignment could happen (e.g. the Progressives could win the internal Dem fight, and the Corporatists might then leave to join the Republican party and bring it into alignment with their values; or the Republican party could pretty much die completely and the Dems then split down the middle into two parties etc) but when the dust settles there'll be two parties that roughly mirror the standard Western political spectrum (which has not been the case up until now, with the Dems sitting on the Center to Right of the political spectrum in most Western countries, with the Republicans on the far-right or over the horizon).

        I think the 2018 elections might be the tipping point for the Dems. The Corporatists managed to get their nominee for chair, Tom Perez, in by a whisker over the Progressive nominee, Keith Ellison. But there are so many progressives running in 2018 that it's pretty easy to foresee the majority tipping in the Progressives favor. And once the Corporatists start losing power with in the party, I'd expect them to spit the dummy pretty loudly (e.g. see this jerk of a Dem mega-donor).
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #64
          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
          To the liberal sure. Too bad CNN and MSNBC are as much liberal mouth pieces as you accuse Fox or Brietbart as being. Difference is while I’m well aware that they are just meat puppets that tow the party line, you seem to live under the impression CNN and MSNBC are not too. Both are mouth pieces of their respective side and sooner people figure that out the better.

          BTW I don’t watch 24 hour news and I only read Brietbart when I see links on other sites or here.
          One major difference between Fox and CNN and MSNBC is that the former has a number of prominent folks who are outspokenly anti-Trump (Shepard Smith immediately springs to mind), whereas you never could find their equivalent on the other two networks for the eight years when Obama was president. Instead you had folks who felt a thrill go up their legs while covering him.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #65
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            One major difference between Fox and CNN and MSNBC is that the former has a number of prominent folks who are outspokenly anti-Trump (Shepard Smith immediately springs to mind), whereas you never could find their equivalent on the other two networks for the eight years when Obama was president. Instead you had folks who felt a thrill go up their legs while covering him.
            IIRC Keith Olbermann frequently criticised both H Clinton and Obama during the run up to the 2008 election and also criticised Obama during his first two years in office.
            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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            • #66
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              One major difference between Fox and CNN and MSNBC is that the former has a number of prominent folks who are outspokenly anti-Trump
              Fox News is basically the Republican establishment's platform, MSNBC is basically the Democratic establishment's platform, and CNN likes to have people from both establishments arguing with each other.

              A lot of people in the Republican establishment don't like Trump, so Fox has leeway to express some criticisms of him. Whereas under Bush they towed the line.

              There were a few folks who were pushed out of MSNBC over the years for being too progressive and too critical of the Democratic establishment and the policies it was pushing (e.g. Cenk Uygur, Ed Schultz, Phil Donahue etc).
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                IIRC Keith Olbermann frequently criticised both H Clinton and Obama during the run up to the 2008 election and also criticised Obama during his first two years in office.
                See here.
                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Whereas under Bush they towed the line.
                  To where?
                  Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                  MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                  MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                  seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Actually you deserve a slap side of the head or something to wake you out of your stuper. Though if this first year of Trump hasn't snapped you out of it, then apparently your condition is permanent.
                    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      IIRC Keith Olbermann frequently criticised both H Clinton and Obama during the run up to the 2008 election and also criticised Obama during his first two years in office.
                      IIRC, generally for not going far enough. OTOH, those criticizing Trump over at Fox are doing so because they simply don't like him -- which was not the case with CNN and MSNBC with Obama.

                      The Obama Administration even went so far as to label MSNBC as the news network that they "love."

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Fox News is basically the Republican establishment's platform, MSNBC is basically the Democratic establishment's platform, and CNN likes to have people from both establishments arguing with each other.
                        There is a reason that CNN is known, even among many of those that like it, as the Clinton News Network.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          CNN might be a little better than Fox News, but I think MSNBC is legitimately worse than Fox News at this point in terms of bias, and that is not something I say lightly.
                          Well you are legitimately wrong. MSNBC may be biased in what they focus on, but they don't make stuff up, they don't lie, they aren't propagandists like some on Fox News are.
                          I'm not sure how I'd rank Breitbart. It's certainly more biased than either, but at the same time it wears its partisanship so much on its sleeve that it's at least up front with what its biases are. MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN try to present themselves as nonpartisan, at least nominally, despite how skewed they are.
                          That's just silly. MSNBC and FOX both wear their partisanship on their sleeve, everyone is aware of their slant, but MSNBC does real journalism, not propaganda as does FOX. CNN is not quite as partisan as MSNBC, but conservatives see them that way because thats what FOX tells them to believe. Fox is the alternative facts broadcaster, and they don't want their viewers to be watching honest sources.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Well you are legitimately wrong. MSNBC may be biased in what they focus on, but they don't make stuff up, they don't lie, they aren't propagandists like some on Fox News are.

                            That's just silly. MSNBC and FOX both wear their partisanship on their sleeve, everyone is aware of their slant, but MSNBC does real journalism, not propaganda as does FOX. CNN is not quite as partisan as MSNBC, but conservatives see them that way because thats what FOX tells them to believe. Fox is the alternative facts broadcaster, and they don't want their viewers to be watching honest sources.
                            brian_williams4.jpg

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies
                            Last edited by Sparko; 03-06-2018, 02:37 PM.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Well you are legitimately wrong.
                              Is that better than you being illegitimately wrong continuously?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                                To where?
                                To the Iraq War and the Great Recession and torture programs, sadly.

                                'Toed the line' looked wrong though...
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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