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What carpe said:
So Trump never "signaled" that he will only back legislation "that can pass" -- in fact, the phrase "that can pass" doesn't even appear in carpe's source even though he put it in quotes to deceptively imply that he was quoting Trump. Rather, the Trump administration acknowledges that the President can't simply take action on his own but has to negotiate with Congress to get legislation passed. This is actually how our system is designed to operate, and Ms. Sanders saying that Trump "can’t make them happen with a broad stroke of the pen" seems like a direct slap at President Barack "I can do anything I want with a pen and a phone" Obama.
Second, why should the President spin his wheels trying to push through pie-in-the-sky legislation that doesn't have a chance in hell of passing when he can negotiate with his legislatures and craft something that won't simply be a waste of everybody's time? This is, in fact, exactly what a leader is supposed to do, he's supposed to drive the process, negotiate with all sides, consider all arguments, and push for something that actually has a good chance of arriving on his desk. It's the exact the opposite of Obama's "Do whatever you want and talk to me afterwards" leading-from-behind approach.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSuuuurre... Rogue. That's exactly what I saw.... (backing away slowly)....
Look at Obamacare for example. Obama left it up to Pelosi and Reid to do all the work and then send it up to him to sign.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat carpe said:
What the story actually says:
So Trump never "signaled" that he will only back legislation "that can pass" -- in fact, the phrase "that can pass" doesn't even appear in carpe's source even though he put it in quotes to deceptively imply that he was quoting Trump. Rather, the Trump administration acknowledges that the President can't simply take action on his own but has to negotiate with Congress to get legislation passed. This is actually how our system is designed to operate, and Ms. Sanders saying that Trump "can’t make them happen with a broad stroke of the pen" seems like a direct slap at President Barack "I can do anything I want with a pen and a phone" Obama.
Second, why should the President spin his wheels trying to push through pie-in-the-sky legislation that doesn't have a chance in hell of passing when he can negotiate with his legislatures and craft something that won't simply be a waste of everybody's time? This is, in fact, exactly what a leader is supposed to do, he's supposed to drive the process, negotiate with all sides, consider all arguments, and push for something that actually has a good chance of arriving on his desk. It's the exact the opposite of Obama's "Do whatever you want and talk to me afterwards" leading-from-behind approach.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI think some leeway should be permitted...say, any donors in excess of 300 lbs?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI think some leeway should be permitted...say, any donors in excess of 300 lbs?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm sure in your case it is oh so obviously nothing but another right wing meme
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostLook at Obamacare for example. Obama left it up to Pelosi and Reid to do all the work and then send it up to him to sign.
Well - except for the candidates he is backing, of course...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh, so now it's BIG donors and activists!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI think some leeway should be permitted...say, any donors in excess of 300 lbs?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou made me snort coffee up my nose....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCoke is better - the fizzy kind.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostDid you miss the question about "the line?"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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