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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    The Enterprise was the first space shuttle. It didn't have working engines. They just launched it from the plane to test it's gliding and landing ability.
    So... falling with style?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
      So... falling with style?
      Well it wouldn't be very smart to launch one into space and then find out they couldn't land it.

      It didn't have much of a glide profile though. They called it a flying brick.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Well it wouldn't be very smart to launch one into space and then find out they couldn't land it.

        It didn't have much of a glide profile though. They called it a flying brick.
        The writers of Space Cowboys lifted that from what was said about the F-4 Phantom. "It's proof that given enough engine you can even make a brick fly". (But for pretty much opposite reasons)
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          The writers of Space Cowboys lifted that from what was said about the F-4 Phantom. "It's proof that given enough engine you can even make a brick fly". (But for pretty much opposite reasons)
          Barely controlled falling.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Barely controlled falling.
            But not as bad as landing an F-14 on a carrier deck -- "a controlled crash".
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              But not as bad as landing an F-14 on a carrier deck -- "a controlled crash".
              Don't they have to hook the plane to keep it from overrunning the runway and crashing into the sea?
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                Don't they have to hook the plane to keep it from overrunning the runway and crashing into the sea?
                Yes, (actually, the plane hooks the carrier, kinda) and if the seas are rough, the carrier deck is pitching up and down, so it's not a "smooth landing" - and the tail hook will catch an arresting cable that brings the plane to a very dramatic near sudden stop.

                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  How does the pilot not get hurt from the sudden stop? That looks more forceful than a car slamming on the brakes.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                    How does the pilot not get hurt from the sudden stop? That looks more forceful than a car slamming on the brakes.
                    The pilot is strapped in good, and braces for impact -- and it's not as sudden as it might look, because the arresting cables "reel out" to allow a rapid deceleration, rather than a sudden stop.

                    An interesting factor is that the plane goes to full power on landing just in case they miss all arresting cables. If they didn't have full power, and 'overshot the runway', they'd fall into the sea in front of the Carrier.

                    My brother served on USS Ranger, and he said the pilots laughed "yeah, it's be bad enough to fall into the ocean on takeoff, but to be run over by your own ship adds insult to injury!" (If you overshoot on landing, you won't get run over by the ship, cause you're coming in at an angle (red arrow below), and you would come off the plane to the port (left) side. Only on initial takeoff could you possibly be "run over by the ship". (blue arrow)

                    carrier deck.jpg
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      The ship is moving? Well, I guess it would be hard to park in the middle of the ocean. And inconvenient to drop anchor every time a plane needed to land.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                        The ship is moving? Well, I guess it would be hard to park in the middle of the ocean. And inconvenient to drop anchor every time a plane needed to land.
                        The ship is definitely moving - there's the old cry "turn her into the wind", because you want as much momentum for the aircraft taking off ---- the ship moving forward, and the headwind giving the plane more lift.

                        And, on landing, the faster the ship is cruising, the less difference there is in the speed of the ship and the landing aircraft. If it were possible for the ship to go about 120 knots, it would be much easier for the plane to land. The plane would seem to "hover" and just "set down" on the deck. Carriers can go about 32 knots, or about 40 mph. Planes land at 120 to 140 knots, or about 150 mph.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #42
                          Here's a pretty neat incident where the aircraft hit the cable, the cable snapped, and... well, watch.

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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