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    No, Twitchy. I Am Not Celebrating

    Should conservatives celebrate redefining marriage?

    The link can be found here.

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    Would I celebrate a redefinition of marriage because it's two conservatives? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Many of you know that politically, I'm a conservative. I would say on that spectrum, I'm somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh. Normally, Twitchy has been a favorite site to go to to see some of the hilarity that can take place on Twitter. Yesterday was not one of those days. While Allie had an appointment, I was sitting in a waiting room and I get an update. Conservatives celebrate the marriage of two gay conservative men. (And it's lovely!)

    This has to be a parody. Right? I mean, there has to be some joke I'm missing.

    No. There wasn't.

    The whole idea was a narrative had been busted. Here were two homosexuals who were conservatives marrying and fellow conservatives were celebrating. See! Conservatives don't really oppose the redefinition of marriage! We're celebrating homosexuals marrying!

    That's just ludicrous really. It would be like saying I oppose two atheists getting married, but I will celebrate when two Christians get married. I celebrate marriage the way it is and the way that every culture has seen it since the dawn of history. I do not celebrate an artificial creation of the state.

    You see, if you're a conservative, one of the things you want is limited government. Government is put there largely to help keep evil in check, but if it extends its power too much, it can become the evil. Should we really think that we have the power to redefine marriage to make it be whatever we want it to be?

    I mean, there are people who say it's fine because there are two consenting adults, but if we can make this change, why not the others? Why does it have to be two? Why does it have to be adults? Why does it have to be consent? (And if we get rid of consent, does rape qualify as some kind of marriage?) Now as soon as you say that marriage requires X, then you are saying that marriage is something and that something cannot be changed.

    What has happened here is that the state has made an artificial creation and called it marriage. What is the result? For one thing, it changes the rules for everyone else. It means that every other marriage relationship is on par with a union of two men or two women. These relationships give the same benefit to society that a man/woman marriage does, but they don't. One obvious reason? These relationships can never naturally produce children. They will require heterosexual activity for that.

    Furthermore, with this change, the government will be in charge of this and defending this. If the government says it is true and some people resist, then we are in essence enemies of the state. Someone who is wanting to follow their conscience and not serve a homosexual ceremony can be forced into bankruptcy because they could not bring themselves to do what they think is wrong. These people have been happy to serve them on any other occasion and glad to refer them to someone else. It's already started in America. Why should I think it won't get worse?

    Will we get to a day where someone who says that homosexuality is a sin is brought before the government for a crime? We could even grant the person is wrong for the sake of the argument, but that is their freedom of speech and of religion at that point. Why should we sacrifice that?

    I have no doubt that we will get to this day. I know of some liberals who say they want no "tolerance" for the right. It was a great virtue when they were not in the favor of the state, but now that they are getting there, it is becoming less and less of a virtue. We're getting to the point where someone can be penalized because they didn't use a gender the person identifies with for that day.

    The cry raised up here is that this is a theocracy, but it's not. It's simply remaining in line with human tradition for a few thousand years and there is no new major information I know of that has led to any justification for a major change. It also does not mean going and criminalizing homosexual behavior.

    So Twitchy, I am not celebrating. I do not want to see the state give more power and infringe upon the freedom of the majority of the people due to a decision to think we have the power to change a metaphysical reality. I will stick with celebrating marriage as it has been seen for thousands of years.

    Someone alert me when Twitchy becomes conservative again.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    The sad truth is that for most people who are intensely political, politics becomes the supreme goal and more important than anything else. Why do you think Milo Yiannopolous became a hero among conservatives despite claiming to be both a practicing Catholic and an active homosexual? He was a good "token". "See? Conservatives aren't anti-gay. One of our own heroes is one!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    The sad truth is that for most people who are intensely political, politics becomes the supreme goal and more important than anything else. Why do you think Milo Yiannopolous became a hero among conservatives despite claiming to be both a practicing Catholic and an active homosexual? He was a good "token". "See? Conservatives aren't anti-gay. One of our own heroes is one!"
    Or it simply explodes the myth that conservatives have a knee-jerk hatred of gays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Or it simply explodes the myth that conservatives have a knee-jerk hatred of gays.
    I don't agree. Christians should have something to say when somebody who claims the mantle of Christ is so blatantly thumbing their nose at biblical morality. At the very least, if they have anything to say about the person, that should come up.
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