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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI think worship also keeps us humble, remembering that God is God, not us...
In my analogy, part of the appreciate is the recognition that we cannot do what the performer, chef, or artist does. That is why we feel the need to praise them. If everyone could do what they do, no one would feel that need to offer praise.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf that is the only purpose in your life, then I feel sorry for you Tassy. That is really sad.
It's not praising. It is glorifying. And he deserves it. Why do we glorify anything or anyone? We glorify him by our actions. He created us, and when we do good, and love one another, it reflects back on him as glory. The universe declares his glory. Everything good does.
Glory:
1. high renown or honor won by notable achievements.
2. magnificence or great beauty.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostObviously, one has many absorbing interests and hobbies and fulfilling family commitments etc, but the overriding purpose in life for all creatures is one of survival and reproduction. Clearly, for those who want to believe in eternal life, this is insufficient.
This is all very well, but surely it is unseemly that he should demand it.
It would be like if I insisted that all atheists are evil criminals who eat babies in their basement. We would have no chance at a true dialogue as long as I just kept accusing you of being that.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt would be like if I insisted that all atheists are evil criminals who eat babies in their basement.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by element771 View PostThey know God exists...they just don't want to admit it.
After all, atheism is a religion that requires a tremendous amount of faith.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYour idea of God as some petulant child demanding worship or he will send you to hell is incorrect and ridiculous.
It is a strawman God you make up to feel better about your rejection of him.
Many people have corrected you on this over the years, but you stubbornly cling to your delusion. All you are accomplishing is making it impossible to have an actual conversation with you, since you insist on creating a false version of God and Christianity which you then argue against instead of what we really believe.
It would be like if I insisted that all atheists are evil criminals who eat babies in their basement. We would have no chance at a true dialogue as long as I just kept accusing you of being that.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post“It is an absurdity to believe that the deity has human passions and one of the lowest of human passions, a restless appetite for applause” – David Hume.
You're projecting. One can’t reject what doesn’t exist; there are no substantive reasons to think gods and demons and spirits exist...even you reject most of them.
The delusions are yours, I’m the one doing the “correcting”. Delusions are beliefs unsupported by facts and maintained despite evidence to the contrary.
False analogy! What you regard as “true dialogue” is “I’m right and you’re wrong”, without supplying substantive evidence as to why you should be regarded as right. Personal testimonies don’t count and they’re all you’ve got.
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