House Intel Committee: ‘No Evidence of Collusion’

[JimL]

Schiff is pretty much directly stating that the lack of evidence is the reason why they need to keep digging

Wrong, it's because of the evidence that the investigation began, and it is because of the evidence that the investigation continues. Me thinks you Trump supporters are really afraid the truth will come out. What are you afraid of?

[JimL]

So what you're saying is that Mueller has nothing, but if he keeps digging through Trump's garbage cans and leering through Trump's windows,, he's bound to turn up something. In other words, it's a witch-hunt.

We don't do witch hunts anymore MM, though I'm sure if we did you'd be the chief prosecuter and judge. If you don't trust the democratic institutions and want more of a Putinesque type democracy, then Trump is your man and you'll be able to do all the witch hunting, and poisoning of your witches that you like.

[rogue06]

So what you're saying is that Mueller has nothing, but if he keeps digging through Trump's garbage cans and leering through Trump's windows,, he's bound to turn up something. In other words, it's a witch-hunt.

More like a

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[Cow Poke]

You can't all be that blind and stupid.

No, that's your job.

[Tassman]

So what you're saying is that Mueller has nothing, but if he keeps digging through Trump's garbage cans and leering through Trump's windows,, he's bound to turn up something. In other words, it's a witch-hunt.

We don't know what Mueller has got because the investigation has not concluded, it's ongoing. But we do know that he has has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies so far, which is hardly "nothing". And we also know that Trump himself has been doing everything thing possible to hinder the investigation which indicates that he's very scared of what will be found.

[NorrinRadd]

We don't know what Mueller has got because the investigation has not concluded, it's ongoing. But we do know that he has has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies so far, which is hardly "nothing". And we also know that Trump himself has been doing everything thing possible to hinder the investigation which indicates that he's very scared of what will be found.

My instinct is that he's not afraid of being caught in any kind of intrigue with the Russians regarding the election, but he is concerned about having his financial and business affairs scrutinized. I have mixed views on that. On the one hand, I don't like any crimes to go unpunished. On the other, I despise the way Special Counsels mutate and metastasize beyond their legitimate mandates, and I especially despise the fact that Mueller's mandate was overly broad to start with.

[Tassman]

My instinct is that he's not afraid of being caught in any kind of intrigue with the Russians regarding the election, but he is concerned about having his financial and business affairs scrutinized. I have mixed views on that.

I think it likely that Trump has had financial dealings with the Russians that have severely compromised him, e.g. when his casinos collapsed and he was unable to get any financing from the West, the indications are that he got major financing from the Russians. Donald Jr said in 2008 said a lot of Trump assets were in Russia. While much is unknown, it is impossible to ignore the facts. US Intel have already told us that Russia interfered in the U.S. election to help Trump. And Putin "knows how to handle an asset, and that's what he's doing with the president” according to James Clapper, former Intel boss.

On the one hand, I don't like any crimes to go unpunished. On the other, I despise the way Special Counsels mutate and metastasize beyond their legitimate mandates, and I especially despise the fact that Mueller's mandate was overly broad to start with.

I don’t think so. The golden rule in these sorts of investigations is always: “follow the money”.

[Mountain Man]

My instinct is that he's not afraid of being caught in any kind of intrigue with the Russians regarding the election, but he is concerned about having his financial and business affairs scrutinized. I have mixed views on that. On the one hand, I don't like any crimes to go unpunished. On the other, I despise the way Special Counsels mutate and metastasize beyond their legitimate mandates, and I especially despise the fact that Mueller's mandate was overly broad to start with.

Digging into Trump's business dealings from decades ago is far outside the scope of Mueller's original mandate, which was supposed to focus on Russian interference and any attempts by the Trump campaign to coordinate with an outside government. He's gone way outside that by now and is busy fishing for any way he can to "get" Trump.

[rogue06]

Digging into Trump's business dealings from decades ago is far outside the scope of Mueller's original mandate, which was supposed to focus on Russian interference and any attempts by the Trump campaign to coordinate with an outside government. He's gone way outside that by now and is busy fishing for any way he can to "get" Trump.

Unfortunately Mueller's investigation was not given any restrictions or boundaries so in effect he can do as he pleases.

[Sparko]

Of course you do.

derp. That's why I said "I think..."

[Cow Poke]

Unfortunately Mueller's investigation was not given any restrictions or boundaries so in effect he can do as he pleases.

Here's an interesting article on Mueller's second biggest FBI investigation - the Anthrax Attacks.

Mystery surrounds Robert Mueller and his investigation into Russia and President Trump. Some think he is the ultimate professional, others that he is a Democrat lackey, still others maintain he is working on Trump’s side.

We can see how he works if we look at how Mueller ran his second-most important investigation as FBI Director. In September of 2001, an entity began mailing anthrax through the US Postal system, hitting such prominent targets as NBC and Senator Daschle’s office. The terrorist attacks killed five and left others hospitalized. The world panicked.

Under Mueller’s management, the FBI launched an investigation lasting ten years. They now brag about spending “hundreds of thousands of investigator hours on this case.” Let’s take a closer look at Mueller’s response to understand the context of the investigation — who his people investigated, targeted, and found guilty.

and, more from that same cite... (bolding mine)

Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, one of the intended victims of the anthrax terror attacks, did not believe that Ivins was the sole actor. Mueller ordered an independent audit of the FBI’s case by the National Academy of Science, then formally closed the case in 2010, sticking with the conclusion that Ivins, and Ivins alone, committed the terror attack. One year later the NAS released their results and confirmed what many scientists had been repeating for years: the FBI’s science and conclusions were not solid.

A former FBI official involved in the investigation sued the FBI, alleging the FBI concealed evidence exculpatory to Ivins.

Mueller made his position known, saying, “I do not apologize for any aspect of this investigation,” and stated that the FBI had made no mistakes.

The investigation was an unmitigated disaster for America. Mueller didn’t go after al-Qaida for the anthrax letters because he couldn’t find a direct link. But then he targeted American citizens without showing a direct link. For his deeds, he had the second longest tenure as FBI Director ever, and was roundly applauded by nearly everyone

[JimL]

My instinct is that he's not afraid of being caught in any kind of intrigue with the Russians regarding the election, but he is concerned about having his financial and business affairs scrutinized. I have mixed views on that. On the one hand, I don't like any crimes to go unpunished. On the other, I despise the way Special Counsels mutate and metastasize beyond their legitimate mandates, and I especially despise the fact that Mueller's mandate was overly broad to start with.

Trumps financial and business dealings are not beyond Muellers legitimate mandate. Tell me this, if Trump is in cahoots with russian oligarchs, and russian banks connected to Putin himself, a foreign adversary who we know attempted to undermine U.S elections in order to elect Trump, would you not want those connections and financial dealings to be investigated simply because they go back decades? If not, then you are simply not interested in finding the truth concerning those connections and how they may relate to the election.

[Mountain Man]

[Cow Poke]

Trumps financial and business dealings are not beyond Muellers legitimate mandate. Tell me this, if Trump is in cahoots with russian oligarchs, and russian banks connected to Putin himself, a foreign adversary who we know attempted to undermine U.S elections in order to elect Trump, would you not want those connections and financial dealings to be investigated simply because they go back decades? If not, then you are simply not interested in finding the truth concerning those connections and how they may relate to the election.

Were you this fanatic about finding the truth about Hillary's whole email scandal? (and, I don't think that's quite over yet )

[Zymologist]

Were you this fanatic about finding the truth about Hillary's whole email scandal? (and, I don't think that's quite over yet )

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