Student kicked out for telling professor there are only two genders

[Mountain Man]

Bruce Wayne could only do what he did because he was rich. White privilege!

[Christianbookworm]

Bruce Wayne could only do what he did because he was rich. White privilege!

Wouldn't that be wealthy privilege? Not to mention that superhero universes have "powers and abilities beyond those of mortal men" privilege. Which can't be said of real life. Except, would liberals think that Jesus had "privilege" due to being able to do stuff we can't do?

[seer]

Wouldn't that be wealthy privilege?

No! Don't you know all white people are rich!

[Terraceth]

As far as I can tell, the only real source for information on this story so far is the student himself, so I can't help but feel like we may be getting a rather one-sided and self-serving description of the events.

[Cow Poke]

Alliance Defense will probably be defending this student.

That's who bails my sorry butt out when I get carried away.

[Starlight]

He told the class that the official view of biologists is that there are only two genders.

I'm wondering if we can reach agreement that this student's claim about what scientists believe is factually wrong?

Does anyone want to try and defend his claim by citing any sort of "official view of biologists" to the effect "that there are only two genders"? The claim seems nonsensical at face value if one accepts the standard definition that sex is biological (genes + hormones + body bits and functions) whereas gender is societal (how society categorizes people and what behaviors it expects of them). But even if we change the subject to 'sex' rather than 'gender', the public proclamations that I am aware by biologists say there aren't just two sexes. So the boy appears completely factually incorrect in his claims about the "official view of biologists".

From a 2015 article in the Journal Nature:

The feminist professor booted him from class and asked him not to come back.

The article has a picture of the first complaint filed against him, and among the things it lists are "Refusal to stop talking out of turn; Angry outbursts in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker...". If those things are indeed true, and he was truly being disruptive and not shutting up when asked and having various angry outbursts, then throwing him out of class seems justified.

For those here who haven't attended university, lectures do vary a bit in style by subject and lecturer but ultimately they tend to be fairly similar to high school and are mostly about the lecturer talking (or playing videos) and the class listening and learning. They are not a forum where students have some sort of right to talk as much as they want for as long as they want. They are a forum for learning, and any student that started talking unduly would be disrupting the other students' learning and the lecturer would have an obligation to act on behalf of the other students (who are spending time and money to be in the class and learning) to address the disruption. And when the student brings up First Amendment rights he is talking absolute nonsense.

A given lecturer may feel that it's appropriate to have some sort of class discussion about an issue, but if so, that's entirely up to the lecturer, and any methods of guiding the discussion or limits set on the discussion are entirely up to the lecturer. Students may occasionally call out questions during the lecture, and that's usually encouraged, but if one student keeps on doing and doing and doing it, the rest of the class will start glaring at them and the lecturer will usually encourage them to quiet down. If it's bad it will generally escalate through the stages of the lecturer's body language suggesting enough's enough, and increasingly less subtle verbal hints that the lecturer's getting exasperated. I've never seen a lecturer escalate to the point of having to openly and flatly tell a particular student to be quiet and stop being disruptive. And I've certainly never seen it escalate to the point of the lecturer ending up telling the student to leave the classroom because they refused to be quiet after they were told to be quiet.

So my takeaway from the article is that he was disrupting the classes to such a significant extent that the lecturer ended up throwing him out. He doesn't deny he was being disruptive, and he admits he wasn't following the rules for the class discussion. (He also appears to have been peddling factually false information in his outbursts, which annoys me from a scientific perspective, though students are allowed to be ignorant and wrong and learning stuff is what they're there for.) If he wanted to deny these misbehavior and disruptiveness allegations (which he doesn't seem to) he should find some other students in the class who can testify that his behavior was actually okay, and that it was the professor who lost it and had angry outbursts. Since the article fails to quote any other class students, I tend to assume they all agreed with the lecturer that this student was being disruptive and needed to be kicked out.

[lilpixieofterror]

[rogue06]

No. Obviously not. Haven't you seen how liberal react to hecklers and the like (including those also from the left)?

Once again their "tolerance" only goes one way.

[Starlight]

The statement made in the article was that it's the "official view of biologists" that there "are only two genders". In my view: Citation definitely needed. Does anyone wish to try and provide any sort of official statement from biologists saying there are two genders?

I looked around the internet for statements by biologists on the topic. The only statements I could easily find were biologists saying there weren't only 2 sexes and that it's a complicated issue. I cited an article from the world's top biology journal on that subject.

I've noticed over the years that there does seem to be some sort of meme among US conservatives that 'biology says' there are only 2 sexes, which AFAICT is a false claim based on zero evidence other than US conservatives repeating it back and forth to each other. The article says the kid in his classes put forth the idea that there's an "official view of biologists" out there somewhere that makes this claim. If so, please let me know what official biologist organisation made the claim and please link me to it. Otherwise, can we all acknowledge this claim to be a false one?

Protesting a public speech is different to disrupting a private class.

If people are paying to learn at a school and a student is continually being disruptive, then it can become necessary to remove them from the class so that the other children can learn. Whereas if a controversial public figure (whos past speeches and writings are readily accessible online for those who do actually want to learn from them) has been publicly invited to give a one-off public speech at a particular location, then a political protest of it might make sense.

e.g. I'm considering protesting at Obama's speech when he comes to my country later this year to critique his heavy use of drone-strikes and military. Whereas I'm not considering going into the local Christian theological training college and sitting in a classroom there with the other students and then constantly interrupting the lecture by yelling angrily at the lecturer that God doesn't exist.

[Tassman]

Religious Studies does not seem to be a major worth pursuing to begin with. If you're going to study religion, why not attend a place that actually practices it?

If you are going to study comparative religions the last place to study it would be the bastion of of one of them which, by definition, would present itself as the only true religion

[Tassman]

No. Obviously not. Haven't you seen how liberal react to hecklers and the like (including those also from the left)?

Once again their "tolerance" only goes one way.

Well I've seen how Trump and his conservative supporters react to hecklers and it's not pretty.

[lilpixieofterror]

The statement made in the article was that it's the "official view of biologists" that there "are only two genders". In my view: Citation definitely needed. Does anyone wish to try and provide any sort of official statement from biologists saying there are two genders?

I looked around the internet for statements by biologists on the topic. The only statements I could easily find were biologists saying there weren't only 2 sexes and that it's a complicated issue. I cited an article from the world's top biology journal on that subject.

I've noticed over the years that there does seem to be some sort of meme among US conservatives that 'biology says' there are only 2 sexes, which AFAICT is a false claim based on zero evidence other than US conservatives repeating it back and forth to each other. The article says the kid in his classes put forth the idea that there's an "official view of biologists" out there somewhere that makes this claim. If so, please let me know what official biologist organisation made the claim and please link me to it. Otherwise, can we all acknowledge this claim to be a false one?

So if I look around for human reproduction system, how many will I find?

Protesting a public speech is different to disrupting a private class.

If people are paying to learn at a school and a student is continually being disruptive, then it can become necessary to remove them from the class so that the other children can learn. Whereas if a controversial public figure (whos past speeches and writings are readily accessible online for those who do actually want to learn from them) has been publicly invited to give a one-off public speech at a particular location, then a political protest of it might make sense.

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[Mountain Man]

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[Juvenal]

No. Obviously not. Haven't you seen how liberal react to hecklers and the like (including those also from the left)?

Once again their "tolerance" only goes one way.

P1: A liberal did this.
C1: All liberals do this.
C2: We are justified in doing this to all liberals.

There's a couple problems with that reasoning.

[Cow Poke]

P1: A liberal did this.
C1: All liberals do this.
C2: We are justified in doing this to all liberals.

There's a couple problems with that reasoning.

There's a problem with using "there's" like that.