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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJorge, you made the claim, you support what you said. I am not going to play your dumbass game. You are afraid to back up your claim, aren't you? Maybe because you know it will make you look like the loon that you are.
9/11 goes back to, well, 9/11/2001 - that's nearly 17 years of stuff. No, I am NOT going to educate you on everything that has happened and been discovered during those 17 years.
So I wanted to see what you already know. That's not being a "dumbass", dumbass!
"Afraid to back up my claim"? Why would I be "afraid"? What have you been smoking?
Bluntly, at this point anyone that isn't disbelieving the official 9/11 narrative can only be one of three things: ignorant, stupid or dishonest. Of course, combinations of those three are also possible.
To not leave you empty-handed, try these:
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
"The truth is that among independent scientists with no axe to grind, a large proportion of those who look into the 9/11 evidence find grounds for doubt. A few have put their reputations and careers at risk in order to speak out about that evidence, and what they see. In 2010, larger numbers of scientists have joined together and contributed their expertise to create this web site. It doesn't take a PhD to understand that the official account of the 9/11 attacks contains contradictions and physical impossibilities."
https://www.ae911truth.org/
"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a nonprofit organization representing more than 3,000 architects and engineers and affiliates dedicated to establishing the truth about the events of September 11, 2001. This organization has over 14 years of accumulated evidence that contradicts the "official" version of 9/11."
The above are two of many hundreds of resources that all-but-prove beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt that the official 9/11 story is a big fat agenda-driven LIE, every bit as big a lie as is Evolutionism and Materialism. But I digress ...
I know what you think of me so perhaps if you hear it coming from others you may finally awake from the lies and delusion that you've been living under.
I've held my present position on 9-11 since 9-11. My background couldn't accept what I was witnessing (on TV) followed by the explanations that were being given. In particular, I know something about demolitions (I worked with explosives for 3 years). Time to take the Red Pill, kiddo.
Jorge
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Originally posted by Jorge View Post"dumbass game"? Are you projecting again, Sparko?
9/11 goes back to, well, 9/11/2001 - that's nearly 17 years of stuff. No, I am NOT going to educate you on everything that has happened and been discovered during those 17 years.
So I wanted to see what you already know. That's not being a "dumbass", dumbass!
"Afraid to back up my claim"? Why would I be "afraid"? What have you been smoking?
Bluntly, at this point anyone that isn't disbelieving the official 9/11 narrative can only be one of three things: ignorant, stupid or dishonest. Of course, combinations of those three are also possible.
To not leave you empty-handed, try these:
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
"The truth is that among independent scientists with no axe to grind, a large proportion of those who look into the 9/11 evidence find grounds for doubt. A few have put their reputations and careers at risk in order to speak out about that evidence, and what they see. In 2010, larger numbers of scientists have joined together and contributed their expertise to create this web site. It doesn't take a PhD to understand that the official account of the 9/11 attacks contains contradictions and physical impossibilities."
https://www.ae911truth.org/
"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a nonprofit organization representing more than 3,000 architects and engineers and affiliates dedicated to establishing the truth about the events of September 11, 2001. This organization has over 14 years of accumulated evidence that contradicts the "official" version of 9/11."
The above are two of many hundreds of resources that all-but-prove beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt that the official 9/11 story is a big fat agenda-driven LIE, every bit as big a lie as is Evolutionism and Materialism. But I digress ...
I know what you think of me so perhaps if you hear it coming from others you may finally awake from the lies and delusion that you've been living under.
I've held my present position on 9-11 since 9-11. My background couldn't accept what I was witnessing (on TV) followed by the explanations that were being given. In particular, I know something about demolitions (I worked with explosives for 3 years). Time to take the Red Pill, kiddo.
Jorge
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow...
Personally, I found him to be a brilliant man who's contributions to physics and astrophysics were substantial. He also was diagnosed with ALS in his early twenties and defied all odds in living with it for 50+ years. He was a man who lived life fully, despite his tremendous physical limitations. Comparing him to Charles Manson is just a tad over the top, IMO.
As for where he is now...you believe he is in hell...and I believe he simply is not anymore. Which of us is correct will be determined after this life ends. I'm content to wait until then.
The showers are to your left.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Jorge View Post
You should also know that I am not a dogmatic promoter of ANY position. For example, Jonathan Wells, one of the authors above, is a "Moonie" - a religious position that I strongly oppose. However, Dr. Wells is an extremely intelligent educated man and has great truths to share. He knows very well, inside and out, of many truths that obliterate Evolutionism. Truth is truth - nothing can change that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJorge, you made the claim, you support what you said. I am not going to play your dumbass game. You are afraid to back up your claim, aren't you? Maybe because you know it will make you look like the loon that you are.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostShowing, once again, that what is of primary importance to you is whether or not someone embraces the YEC model. Everything else comes in a distant second.
*my position is that I don't believe in macro evolution, but even if it is true it doesn't affect my faith. I can accommodate theistic evolution.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI also do not believe in evolution* yet Jorge thinks I am a heretic. The primary importance is agreeing with Jorge.
*my position is that I don't believe in macro evolution, but even if it is true it doesn't affect my faith. I can accommodate theistic evolution.
And I don't "believe" in evolution either. I followed the evidence and "accept" all of the cross correlating, corroborating, consilient positive evidence from dozens of different and independent scientific disciplines that literally amasses on a daily basis.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhich is ironic considering how macroevolution has been repeatedly observed in both the lab and in nature and how YECs are slowly but surely moving to accept it (just don't call it evolution though).
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy position is that none of it matters to my faith.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAbsolutely agree 100%. Our salvation does not hinge on whether or not we accept or reject the evidence for evolution any more than it does on how we think the earth is shaped or whether the earth orbits the sun or vice versa. Unfortunately there are some in the YEC leadership who disagree, with some like Ken Ham wanting to make Christianity dependent upon how we read the opening chapters of Genesis rather than on Christ and his finished work on the cross (spurning what He said in Matthew 7:24-27).
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostFrom your post it is clear that you are a member of the vast majority that has swallowed their lies, are 'drunk' with the Kool-Aid and have closed your mind to anything that goes against your chosen beliefs. Check - I got it. I especially loved the "...not really interested in another round of "why they cannot be trusted"". I'm still shaking my head over that little gem!
Originally posted by Jorge View PostTo answer your questions, I am indeed a Biblical Creationist (you call it "young-earth creationism" but that is a loaded term that I discarded long ago). As for "geocentrism and/or flat-earth movement", no, I do not subscribe to the general/common views of those positions.
Originally posted by Jorge View PostKindly and gently, Michel, you are ignorant of so many things and it is this ignorance that provides you with a boundless assurance of being "right". It's also convenient to choose to remain that way by shutting out anything that threatens your chosen beliefs. We wouldn't want the TRUTH to come in and spoil that tidy little world, would we. Oh, and, don't even try to turn the tables on me here. I have hundreds of books/papers/articles from Atheists, Evolutionists (of all persuasions), Materialists, etc. here in my own home library. Unlike the usual practice of your camp, I do not censor other views.
Jorge
So for JFK, 911, moon landing, evolution, the age of the earth, geocentrism, and flat earth theory - I usually say, no thanks. Climate denial is pretty close to that mark.
MichelThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso what do you think happened in 9/11? Who was behind it and why?
Why? The same for 9/11 (under Bush) as for Obama, because the United States stands as a major obstacle to attaining the "One World Order" goal. There are sound reasons and mountains of hard evidence for all of this - it is not "conspiracy nut-job theory" as some would have you believe. However, this is an immensely lengthy topic - I'll leave it here.
Jorge
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostAll of the evidence indicates that the 9/11 event was an event orchestrated by certain individuals in several nations including the USA, Saudi Arabia, Israel and possibly others. It is important to note that it was "by certain individuals" in those nations, not (necessarily) by the entire nation itself. Individuals belonging to groups having far-reaching agendas reach positions of power and then carry out plans to help achieve the overall agendas. Barrack Obama, for example, executed many plans aimed at destroying the United States from within using the Cloward-Piven Strategy and other means.
Why? The same for 9/11 (under Bush) as for Obama, because the United States stands as a major obstacle to attaining the "One World Order" goal. There are sound reasons and mountains of hard evidence for all of this - it is not "conspiracy nut-job theory" as some would have you believe. However, this is an immensely lengthy topic - I'll leave it here.
Jorge
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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