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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    What's the matter? Don't you believe in evolution? Survival of the fittest? Euthanasia for people who will have a horrible quality of life (i.e. aborting children with birth defects and deformities?)
    Trying to change the subject? Is that the best you can do? Let's so how you will justify your own statement. Throwing mud on me with insinuations wont help you much.
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Charles View Post
      Trying to change the subject? Is that the best you can do? Let's so how you will justify your own statement. Throwing mud on me with insinuations wont help you much.
      Look who is trying to change the subject!

      I was making a point and you snapped it up. But now you are afraid to show everyone your hypocrisy.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Look who is trying to change the subject!

        I was making a point and you snapped it up. But now you are afraid to show everyone your hypocrisy.
        What hypocrisy?
        "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
          Countries with socialized healthcare spend less money on healthcare per person than the US, so it will actually probably cost me less compared to what I'm spending already.
          One major factor forcing prices up, and not experienced to anywhere near the same degree as in the U.S., are law suits.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Charles View Post
            What hypocrisy?
            Hypocrisy of liberals like you that want to pretend that it is important to keep someone like Stephen Hawking alive even though he was completely crippled and his quality of life was horrible, yet they think that it is humane to abort a fetus if it has Downs syndrome, or will be born crippled or with some other debilitating defect because of the lack of quality of life.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Hypocrisy of liberals like you that want to pretend that it is important to keep someone like Stephen Hawking alive even though he was completely crippled and his quality of life was horrible, yet they think that it is humane to abort a fetus if it has Downs syndrome, or will be born crippled or with some other debilitating defect because of the lack of quality of life.
              Who gives you the right to assume I hold suchs views? You think you know me but all you have got are ideas about what "liberals like you want to pretend". So you are simply concluding based on completely wrong idead about what I think and calling me a hypocrite based on that.
              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                Who gives you the right to assume I hold suchs views? You think you know me but all you have got are ideas about what "liberals like you want to pretend". So you are simply concluding based on completely wrong idead about what I think and calling me a hypocrite based on that.
                Oh sorry if I got it wrong, Charles. You are against abortion in the case of debilitating birth defects, then and believe that everyone should have a chance at life? Because who knows? They could be another Stephen Hawking, right?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Oh sorry if I got it wrong, Charles. You are against abortion in the case of debilitating birth defects, then and believe that everyone should have a chance at life? Because who knows? They could be another Stephen Hawking, right?
                  You got it wrong, and it seems you are deliberately continuing to get it wrong in order to avoid the points I made because once again you are assuming something that is simply not true.
                  "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Charles View Post
                    You got it wrong, and it seems you are deliberately continuing to get it wrong in order to avoid the points I made because once again you are assuming something that is simply not true.
                    I don't understand. I thought you said I was wrong about thinking you supported abortion for debilitating birth defects and I apologized, but now you say I still got it wrong?

                    Please be clear. Do you support abortion for debilitating birth defects? Yes or no?

                    and you didn't make any points. you just quoted me and put in a lot of dots.....

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                      Do you have any numbers? If not then it seems your insinuations are not very well founded.
                      I asked a question. Do have numbers showing that people who pay for their medical expenses through taxes are getting the best return for their money, or that the overall cost once the money passes through the hands of government really is cheaper than the privatized alternative? Remember, it's your side who's insisting that taxpayer funded healthcare through the government is "free" or "low cost", so you've got some work to do before you can justify that assertion.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        I don't understand. I thought you said I was wrong about thinking you supported abortion for debilitating birth defects and I apologized, but now you say I still got it wrong?

                        Please be clear. Do you support abortion for debilitating birth defects? Yes or no?

                        and you didn't make any points. you just quoted me and put in a lot of dots.....
                        I do not support abortion for debilitating birth defects. That should be clear already. But your post made it seem as if I did not support it for the sole reason that these persons could become new Stephen Hawkings. I do simply do not support it no matter what.

                        The points I refered to are in this post: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post527301

                        And the dots served their own purpose as well but I assume you did not get it. It was my way of saying "this certainly needs reflection and second thought!"
                        "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          I asked a question. Do have numbers showing that people who pay for their medical expenses through taxes are getting the best return for their money, or that the overall cost once the money passes through the hands of government really is cheaper than the privatized alternative? Remember, it's your side who's insisting that taxpayer funded healthcare through the government is "free" or "low cost", so you've got some work to do before you can justify that assertion.
                          Yes. This result is well-known. The Commonwealth-fund releases regular analyses of the topic, and you can look that up on Google and have a read.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            I asked a question. Do have numbers showing that people who pay for their medical expenses through taxes are getting the best return for their money, or that the overall cost once the money passes through the hands of government really is cheaper than the privatized alternative? Remember, it's your side who's insisting that taxpayer funded healthcare through the government is "free" or "low cost", so you've got some work to do before you can justify that assertion.
                            You did not only ask a question. Your post was filled with insinuations and I encourage everyone to read it again in order to see that: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post527274

                            My sole point was that your insinuations seem to be unsupported unless you can support them which you failed to do when asked for something to support them. And you know better than to claim that we insist healtcare through government is generally free. We have actually made you aware quite many times that we are not denying that it is paid for by taxes but "free at the point of use". You can insist to mess it up as much as you like but it does nothing to change reality.
                            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Charles View Post
                              I do not support abortion for debilitating birth defects. That should be clear already. But your post made it seem as if I did not support it for the sole reason that these persons could become new Stephen Hawkings. I do simply do not support it no matter what.

                              The points I refered to are in this post: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post527301

                              And the dots served their own purpose as well but I assume you did not get it. It was my way of saying "this certainly needs reflection and second thought!"
                              Oh wow. I did not realize you were against abortion, Charles. I really do apologize . I thought I saw you defending it somewhere.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Oh wow. I did not realize you were against abortion, Charles. I really do apologize . I thought I saw you defending it somewhere.
                                No problem. Don't worry. I do not support it. I find that many discussion about it both for and against are very, very single sided, so I may have supported someones right to hold a particular view about it which I don't agree with just like I support your right to be a Christian though I am not one myself.
                                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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