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Stephen Hawking and the UK government-run health service
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWhen the US was reaching peak wild Obamacare-will-kill-us-all claims:
in 2009 the US Investor’s Business Daily argued that Stephen Hawking “wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless”.
Hawking's own response was swift:
“I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS... I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”
Demi would guess he got special treatment, unlikely they try to keep 'how are you not dead??????' ALS patient going.
In 2017, when the UK's conservative government were unveiling their plans to privatize parts of the NHS, Hawking entered the debate:
When the NHS was plunged into crisis amid plans to privatise the service, Hawking lashed out at the politicians he held responsible in a 2017 speech at the Royal Society of Medicine. He blamed ministers for funding cuts, pay caps and weakening the service through privatisation. He saw it all leading to a “US-style insurance system”... Hawking [argued] that the NHS was heading towards a US-style healthcare system run by private companies. [The conservative government], he pointed out, named Kaiser Permanente, the major US healthcare provider, as a model for the future budgetary arrangements of the NHS before the Commons health select committee in 2016....
Hawking joined a lawsuit in December [2017] aimed at blocking [the conservative government's] plans for the NHS.
AFAICT he was still part of that lawsuit four months later at the time of his death yesterday.Last edited by demi-conservative; 03-16-2018, 04:13 AM.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostSocialised Healthcare means more people can access medical care...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post...because it's not directly paid for. Every single person saying it's free understands this.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBecause you think that if the USA went to socialized healthcare, your taxes would remain the same and you would have the same paycheck. It won't. You will find out how much it costs when they raise your taxes 25% or more to pay for your "free" Healthcare and your paycheck gets cut down.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostCountries with socialized healthcare spend less money on healthcare per person than the US, so it will actually probably cost me less compared to what I'm spending already.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey spread it out by charging the same to people who don't need the healthcare. So even if you are healthy as a horse and don't use the healthcare, guess what? you are still paying for it at the same rate as someone like me who would be using the hell out of it."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostCountries with socialized healthcare spend less money on healthcare per person than the US, so it will actually probably cost me less compared to what I'm spending already.
And how much money is being peeled off by politicians as it passes through their hands on its way to the healthcare provider? What percentage of the average citizen's taxes are really spent on their healthcare?Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-16-2018, 01:44 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Charles View PostBut the point was the price is still lower per person. You just stated what we all knew already with no argument for or against it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo, it would be lower for someone older and with more health problems like me, but higher for some young millennial with perfect health who doesn't need any healthcare. Dozens of them would be shelling out just to cover the medical expenses of my tired old carcass."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd how much money is being peeled off by politicians as it passes through their hands on its way to the healthcare provider? What percentage of the average citizen's taxes are really spent on their healthcare?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYou are just repeating what we all know and you are forgetting once again the point that the price per person on average is lower.
At this point in my life I am all for government run healthcare. I will be on it in less than 10 years anyway. But it is not fair to the young people to have to foot the bill for the older folks and the sick folks. I wonder how many young people were paying more than they needed to just to keep Stephen Hawking alive. I bet his healthcare was expensive.Last edited by Sparko; 03-16-2018, 02:33 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post[...]I wonder how many young people were paying more than they needed to just to keep Stephen Hawking alive. I bet his healthcare was expensive."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View Post"just to keep Stephen Hawking alive".........
What's the matter? Don't you believe in evolution? Survival of the fittest? Euthanasia for people who will have a horrible quality of life (i.e. aborting children with birth defects and deformities?)Last edited by Sparko; 03-16-2018, 02:57 PM.
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