Originally posted by carpedm9587
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I see - so it IS possible to pick and choose from what is in the bible - especially if it is in the OT. So let's focus on the NT, shall we?
So, are we to assume that you consider all of these to be moral absolutes that all Christians must follow? And I presume, from what you have said, that any sect that does not strictly enforce these requirements is promoting immorality?
- The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak. 1st Corinthians 14:34
- You should not use outward aids to make yourselves beautiful, such as the way you fix your hair, or the jewelry you put on, or the dresses you wear. - 1st Peter 3:3
- So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. Matthew 5:29
- And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. Matthew 5:30
- Don’t swear an oath at all. Matthew 5:34 (puts a new twist on the Pledge of Allegiance)
- But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too. Matthew 5:39
- Give to those who ask, and don’t refuse those who wish to borrow from you. Matthew 5:42
- When you pray, go to your room, shut the door, and pray to your Father… in that secret place. (Matthew 6:6)
- Don’t store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal. (Matthew 6:19)
- Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Matthew 5:32
- If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters… he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26
So, are we to assume that you consider all of these to be moral absolutes that all Christians must follow? And I presume, from what you have said, that any sect that does not strictly enforce these requirements is promoting immorality?
No - you are aligned to the subjective moral code of this god (if he/she/it exists) as you understand it. And you have subjectively determined to make that alignment by valuing this god above all other things. If/when you decide this god does not exist, your moral code will likewise shift because you will no longer value this being.
No, Seer, I did not miss the point. I pointed out (again) the flaw in your analogy to mathematics. Until you deal with that flaw - the rest of the analogy simply fails and I cannot trust anything you deduce from it. As I have noted, several times, moral codes are more analogous to legal codes. I listed the similarities: they both deal with differentiating "ought" and "ought not" action, they both can be codified in various ways, they both are expressed by communities, they both typically reflect consequences to violation. Legal systems are by no means "objective" and there is no conflict/contradiction. I've seen no one claiming "legal systems are irrational and absurd because two countries could have opposite laws." Yet moral systems, which are closely analogous, are accused of this exact problem. Yet no one can seem to explain why that is true of the one and not of the other. And you keep dodging this question, insisting that moral codes are more like mathematics with no basis except your insistence.
Actually - it corrects what you said to what actually occurs.
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