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Uber self-driving car kills Arizona woman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe "driver" is there for legal reasons, but self-driving cars are fully autonomous."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI thought the driver did have the ability to at least brake if need be. This isn't the case?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Well she will go down in history as the first person to be killed by an autonomous vehicle.
Unless you count that Tesla accident where the guy had it on autopilot and it ran into a truck.
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Follow up question: Does a self driving car have the ability to recognize if it is being pulled over?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostFollow up question: Does a self driving car have the ability to recognize if it is being pulled over?
Same way you do. You see the flashing lights, hear the siren whoop, and you pull over. Automated systems detect the lights, register the sound, and are programmed to respond accordingly. Google even has hand gestures worked into their algorithms.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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From the released car video (which I elected not to watch), it seems some believe the car technology should have been able to avoid the crash (and the human in the car wasn't paying attention):
https://www.wired.com/story/uber-sel...video-arizona/
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthere was a criminal and two homeless men crossing with the crosswalk signal, and there was a woman doctor and two other women crossing illegally. Your car's breaks fail, which set of people should the car run over?Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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The video of the accident is here:
https://twitter.com/TempePolice?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
It shows that a human driver would never have been able to see the woman crossing the road before it hit her, but since the car uses lidar instead of light, it should have been able to see her because she was coming from the left side of the road and had already crossed the left lane into the right one before the car hit her. (they stop the video just before she is hit)
It is pretty much the exact kind of accident that autonomous cars are supposed to avoid compared to human drivers.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe video of the accident is here:
https://twitter.com/TempePolice?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
It shows that a human driver would never have been able to see the woman crossing the road before it hit her, but since the car uses lidar instead of light, it should have been able to see her because she was coming from the left side of the road and had already crossed the left lane into the right one before the car hit her. (they stop the video just before she is hit)
It is pretty much the exact kind of accident that autonomous cars are supposed to avoid compared to human drivers.
There's also the question of whether or not the car was even able to recognize a person pushing a bike across the road for what it really was and simply didn't have an algorithm to deal with that scenario.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Celebrian View PostFrom the released car video (which I elected not to watch), it seems some believe the car technology should have been able to avoid the crash (and the human in the car wasn't paying attention):
https://www.wired.com/story/uber-sel...video-arizona/
According to the video, it appears that the woman pushing her bike was invisible until illuminated by the car's headlights, but the black levels in the video are crushed and are not representative of how it would have looked to the average human eye, so it's possible that a human driver paying close attention could have seen the victim long before she stepped into the lane of travel.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI read one commentary that said that the problem with AI cars is that they are (at least for now) unable to read body language. They can identify that something vaguely person shaped is nearby, but they have no intuition about what that person might be planning to do whereas we can instinctively derive a great deal about a persons intentions at a glance.
There's also the question of whether or not the car was even able to recognize a person pushing a bike across the road for what it really was and simply didn't have an algorithm to deal with that scenario.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt should have recognized that an object was crossing the road and would intersect its path. Doesn't matter if it knew it was a person or not. And it didn't need to predict possible future movement, she was already moving.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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