Marlon Bundo

[Mountain Man]

And that would account for the fact that gay marriage and support for the LGBTQ community is now in the majority...?

Yes, the political winds have shifted significantly, perhaps even violently, over the past couple of decades, and most drastically over the last decade, much to the detriment of our country.

[Sparko]

I didn't say it was partisan - I said it was political.

[carpedm9587]

Yes, the political winds have shifted significantly, perhaps even violently, over the past couple of decades, and most drastically over the last decade, much to the detriment of our country.

Not to the rest of us...

[carpedm9587]

You should take some aspirin for that...

[Sparko]

You should take some aspirin for that...

You were using "political" while meaning "partisan" - in other words you were saying that there was some sort of politically biased message in the book. MM was pointing out that a children's book about the day of the vice president isn't necessarily trying to sell people on a political view. It could just be a neutral book about what Vice Presidents do (apparently from a bunny's POV) - so it is not necessarily "political" in the way you meant. It probably isn't propaganda.

[carpedm9587]

You were using "political" while meaning "partisan" - in other words you were saying that there was some sort of politically biased message in the book. MM was pointing out that a children's book about the day of the vice president isn't necessarily trying to sell people on a political view. It could just be a neutral book about what Vice Presidents do (apparently from a bunny's POV) - so it is not necessarily "political" in the way you meant. It probably isn't propaganda.

Actually - I was using "political" when I meant "political."

The Oliver book does not appear to me to be a response to the Pence book. It merely leverages the reality of the Pence book to make a statement about Mr. Pence's politics/religion. The Pence book is political - but I have not read it and do not know if it is partisan (apparently it ends with the bunny reading the bible, so I am dubious). The Oliver book is both political AND partisan: it takes a stand against the anti-gay agenda.

[Mountain Man]

I didn't say it was partisan - I said it was political.

Yes, but you're using the word in its non-neutral sense.

[Mountain Man]

Not to the rest of us...

Morally speaking, you've been living downwind from the garbage dump for so long that you no longer notice the stench.

[carpedm9587]

Yes, but you're using the word in its non-neutral sense.

Umm... no. "Political" means "about politics." A book about a day in the life of the VP is "political." It may or may not be partisan.

[carpedm9587]

Morally speaking, you've been living downwind from the garbage dump for so long that you no longer notice the stench.

Morally speaking... I've kept the moral high-ground for most of my life. But I'm reasonably sure you will not see it that way. And I'm not going to engage in a pointless discussion about just whom is living downwind of the garbage pile.

[Mountain Man]

I've kept the moral high-ground for most of my life.

This becomes a question of standards. High-ground compared to what? Compared to who? Surely not Yahweh, a standard against which your acts of righteousness are like a pile of filthy rags.

[EvoUK]

Agreed. Marlon Bundo is an awesome name. Oliver gave Pence kudos for this. It was pretty much the only thing he gave Pence Kudos for.

Look, there is no question that I find Pence...well...unacceptable. His position on homosexuality I consider bigoted. His attitude towards women is almost neanderthalish. His willingness to sniff at the Trumpian butt is absolutely unacceptable. He has compromised himself in so many ways, blathering through one Trump lie after another. One of my greatest fears is that the Democrats will take control of the House and Senate, and impeach Trump - putting Pence in the White House. Or that Pence will separate from the Trump ticket and attempt a run on his own. Trump is a moron. But Pence is an idealogue that I consider more than a little dangerous.

I find the idea that Trump would be impeached to be incredibly unlikely. However if it happened it’ll probably also handicap Pence so he couldn’t put forward his extremist ideas, imo.

I saw this book as a general lampooning of his absurd outlook, and quite right. MM is just some cranky old fella on the internet, so his opinions of gays being the same as peadophiles whilst ridiculous doesn’t impact on the nation. Pence isn’t in this category- he has the means to push through his agenda.

[One Bad Pig]

Morally speaking... I've kept the moral high-ground for most of my life.

Respectfully, I think you have no basis for identifying the high ground, let alone keeping it. Promoting this deliberately offensive book is indicative of that.

[Zymologist]

But...what role did the Russians play in Pence's book?

[Starlight]

This becomes a question of standards. High-ground compared to what? Compared to who? Surely not Yahweh, a standard against which your acts of righteousness are like a pile of filthy rags.

If the God depicted in the bible were judge-able by human courts, he would get tried for war crimes ASAP - there's plenty of God-ordered genocide happening. There's also loooots of mass murder (e.g. the Flood). By anything approaching an normal neutral objective human standard, Yahweh is a Bad Dude. I would say it goes without saying that 99.9% of humans are morally better than Yahweh as he is depicted by the bible (he's "a jealous God", and "vengeance is mine says the LORD", "I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.") and that any neutral court you care to name would rule against him.