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  • Maybe It's Not The Devil

    What is the cause of your temptation?

    The link can be found here.

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    Do we give too much power to the devil? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Yesterday I was at my small group when someone asked me about Preterism. What about Revelation 20? I told them I'm of the opinion that the devil is bound right now. I got asked about all the evil that is still in the world today.

    I pointed out that Jesus in the middle of His ministry said the Kingdom of God was among the people and yet He was having to cast out demons. I could have added that Psalm 110:1 says that Jesus sits at the right hand of God until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet. 1 Cor. 15 goes on to say the last enemy is death. John 12 has the prince of this world being cast out.*

    This got us to talking about temptation which is something I notice regularly happening with Christians. So many Christians I know think that whenever they are tempted, that means the devil has to be working on them. I mean, yeah, that has to be it. It can't be that you yourself are a fallen and sinful human being. Obviously, if that devil would just leave you alone, you'd be walking around living like a saint entirely as you would never be tempted.

    Scripture regularly tells us that our hearts are the problem. The devil can hypothetically tempt us of course, but as the old saying goes, "Don't lead me into temptation. I can find it by myself." We don't really need much encouragement to do evil. We're pretty good at finding it ourselves.

    If we keep blaming the devil, we never get to the real problem. There's something inside of ourselves that needs fixing. If we look at an external problem as the great cause of our being tempted, we can't do the self-examination that we should be doing.*

    It also leads us to some form of pride. This is just how important I am. The devil is going after me to stop me from doing what I should be doing. The problem isn't us. It's the devil.

    We could also ask what difference does it make? A man sits down at his computer and is tempted to look up internet pornography. Doesn't he have to pray to stand strong and resist the temptations of the flesh regardless? Why not just work on that to begin with?

    When we do this kind of thing, it can lead us to a sort of Christian dualism where we think the devil and God are equal and opposite partners. They're not. If my eschatology is correct, the devil is bound now and while there is still some demonic activity going on, it is much lower than it was.*

    I honestly think too many of us in the church are spending way too much time focusing on the devil instead of Jesus. I also, since we've said something about eschatology, think we spend more time trying to figure out who the antichrist is than figuring out who the Christ is. Scripture calls us to be sober-minded. There's no need to be paranoid about the devil every step of the way. Work out the evil in your own heart with the work of the Holy Spirit in you.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Generally, there's little need for the devil to intervene; we do a bang-up job of messing things up all by ourselves.
    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Generally, there's little need for the devil to intervene; we do a bang-up job of messing things up all by ourselves.
      Not to mention that the devil is only one and is not omniscient nor omnipresent. Darn being responsible for my own flaws.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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      • #4
        There are two mistakes about devil's. One is to think they don't exist. The other is to know they exist and to be far to interested in them.
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        • #5
          I think that Satan is busy doing other more "important" (to him) things than to try to temp me to watch porn or tell a lie.

          I think he works in more global ways, like making stuff like porn more mainstream and available in this world so people can tempt themselves, for example.


          But Nick, if Satan is bound right now, wasn't he also bound during Jesus' time? How did he tempt Jesus if he was bound? And are the demons bound too? I never could figure it all out.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I think that Satan is busy doing other more "important" (to him) things than to try to temp me to watch porn or tell a lie.

            I think he works in more global ways, like making stuff like porn more mainstream and available in this world so people can tempt themselves, for example.


            But Nick, if Satan is bound right now, wasn't he also bound during Jesus' time? How did he tempt Jesus if he was bound? And are the demons bound too? I never could figure it all out.
            As I understand it, satan wasn't bound until after the crucifixion. I am not aware of a scenario in which the demons are bound too.
            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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            • #7
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              As I understand it, satan wasn't bound until after the crucifixion. I am not aware of a scenario in which the demons are bound too.
              When was he bound? And why let the demons remain free but not Satan? That is like locking up the mob boss but letting the mafia remain free to do his dirty work.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                When was he bound? And why let the demons remain free but not Satan? That is like locking up the mob boss but letting the mafia remain free to do his dirty work.
                In my understanding it is that the satan was bound for the specific purpose of not being able to deceive the nations any longer; as well when Jesus sent out the 70, the demons were subject to them, ie - they were unable to stop the message that was going out. I believe both these are still in effect today based on Jesus' death and resurrection. That's not to say the satan doesn't fight even though he is defeated and can not win.
                We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post
                  In my understanding it is that the satan was bound for the specific purpose of not being able to deceive the nations any longer; as well when Jesus sent out the 70, the demons were subject to them, ie - they were unable to stop the message that was going out. I believe both these are still in effect today based on Jesus' death and resurrection. That's not to say the satan doesn't fight even though he is defeated and can not win.
                  Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

                  Chains, a pit, and a seal. I can't possibly see that verse as intending Satan is out there roaming around as described in 1 Peter.

                  1 Peter 5:8 [Full Chapter]
                  Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                    Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

                    Chains, a pit, and a seal. I can't possibly see that verse as intending Satan is out there roaming around as described in 1 Peter.

                    1 Peter 5:8 [Full Chapter]
                    Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
                    True, but like a dog that has been chained only has a limited sphere of influence, so to does the devil have a limited sphere and must seek out those who are foolish enough to enter his domain.
                    We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post
                      True, but like a dog that has been chained only has a limited sphere of influence, so to does the devil have a limited sphere and must seek out those who are foolish enough to enter his domain.

                      The description is quite emphatically describing Satan having no "sphere of influence" until after the seal is broken.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                        Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

                        Chains, a pit, and a seal. I can't possibly see that verse as intending Satan is out there roaming around as described in 1 Peter.

                        1 Peter 5:8 [Full Chapter]
                        Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
                        Yeah I always understood that as after Christ's return that Satan would be locked up. But it really makes no sense why would he be set free for a short time after 1000 years?

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                        • #13
                          This doctrine seems to have one verse of support, which is a literal interpretation of a verse in the most symbolic book in the Bible. I don't consider that sufficient support.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                            What is the cause of your temptation?

                            The link can be found here.

                            ----

                            Do we give too much power to the devil? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

                            Yesterday I was at my small group when someone asked me about Preterism. What about Revelation 20? I told them I'm of the opinion that the devil is bound right now. I got asked about all the evil that is still in the world today.

                            I pointed out that Jesus in the middle of His ministry said the Kingdom of God was among the people and yet He was having to cast out demons. I could have added that Psalm 110:1 says that Jesus sits at the right hand of God until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet. 1 Cor. 15 goes on to say the last enemy is death. John 12 has the prince of this world being cast out.*

                            This got us to talking about temptation which is something I notice regularly happening with Christians. So many Christians I know think that whenever they are tempted, that means the devil has to be working on them. I mean, yeah, that has to be it. It can't be that you yourself are a fallen and sinful human being. Obviously, if that devil would just leave you alone, you'd be walking around living like a saint entirely as you would never be tempted.

                            Scripture regularly tells us that our hearts are the problem. The devil can hypothetically tempt us of course, but as the old saying goes, "Don't lead me into temptation. I can find it by myself." We don't really need much encouragement to do evil. We're pretty good at finding it ourselves.

                            If we keep blaming the devil, we never get to the real problem. There's something inside of ourselves that needs fixing. If we look at an external problem as the great cause of our being tempted, we can't do the self-examination that we should be doing.*

                            It also leads us to some form of pride. This is just how important I am. The devil is going after me to stop me from doing what I should be doing. The problem isn't us. It's the devil.

                            We could also ask what difference does it make? A man sits down at his computer and is tempted to look up internet pornography. Doesn't he have to pray to stand strong and resist the temptations of the flesh regardless? Why not just work on that to begin with?

                            When we do this kind of thing, it can lead us to a sort of Christian dualism where we think the devil and God are equal and opposite partners. They're not. If my eschatology is correct, the devil is bound now and while there is still some demonic activity going on, it is much lower than it was.*

                            I honestly think too many of us in the church are spending way too much time focusing on the devil instead of Jesus. I also, since we've said something about eschatology, think we spend more time trying to figure out who the antichrist is than figuring out who the Christ is. Scripture calls us to be sober-minded. There's no need to be paranoid about the devil every step of the way. Work out the evil in your own heart with the work of the Holy Spirit in you.

                            In Christ,
                            Nick Peters
                            The Devil.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Yeah I always understood that as after Christ's return that Satan would be locked up. But it really makes no sense why would he be set free for a short time after 1000 years?
                              The only explanation I saw was that it was for people who were born during the 1,000 years, so that they could see the alternative to Christ's reign, and then choose for themselves. Then again I've never seen anyone else even attempt an explanation. If others have heard of one, I'd be curious to check it out.

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