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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe model North sketches is for and to sustain an environment with high growth. That it's unsuitable for your country, which has had, on average, limited to negative growth isn't a flaw with the model, but with your people."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAnd churches with their own buildings generally get around this by adding additional service times, if they are fortunate enough to even have this problem.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEh, some good, lots wrong with that column. An example, more or less at random:
The column opines that church buildings are bad because the have the problem of real estate; if everyone in the congregation invited a friend, and all the invitees came, there'd be no place for everyone to park. Never mind, for a moment, the sheer improbability of that happening. This is different from a house church. . . how exactly?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostTwo reasons: 1) The searcher is not trying hard enough or just had not thought of house churches. 2) The church is not "advertising." Yellow pages, for one thing. A website. An outreach program.
I think a house church would tend to advertise by word of mouth. If you're like me and have a limited social circle, that word of mouth probably isn't going to reach me. For example at work I know only one person who is probably a Christian. Extended family either doesn't go or is RCC which is a non-starter with my wife."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostI have thought about a house church. Don't know of any.
On the other hand, I know of Churches that have SPECIFICALLY started house churches in communities (often newly popped up communities) where there is not yet an evangelical Church)
One of the house church groups I was consulting for/with heard my schpiel about "growing", and one of them asked me, quite seriously, "Well, Pastor CP, whoever told you we WANTED to grow?"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think, particularly in the States, house churches tend to be started up by people who were disaffected by a local "regular" church. I have had a lot of contact with house churches in my Church Consultant days, and that seemed to be the case. Often, it was almost a "us four and no more" mentality, not WANTING to grow, necessarily.
On the other hand, I know of Churches that have SPECIFICALLY started house churches in communities (often newly popped up communities) where there is not yet an evangelical Church)
One of the house church groups I was consulting for/with heard my schpiel about "growing", and one of them asked me, quite seriously, "Well, Pastor CP, whoever told you we WANTED to grow?""For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostThat since that today house churches would be started by the disaffected. It is still safe to do church so there is no need to band together for mutual support.
Now I think in 10 years it may be a house church model because of persecution on the church. I've thought doing a serious study of how the Chinese church functions today would be good prep for what is coming.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by CPMossy can share her own story, but her family was "disaffected" from her Church -- tried and tried to stay, but came to a point where that just wasn't possible --- you can't worship somewhere where you're not at peace. And there aren't good options around, so I can certainly understand doing "house church" rather than just "giving up".
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMossy can share her own story, but her family was "disaffected" from her Church -- tried and tried to stay, but came to a point where that just wasn't possible --- you can't worship somewhere where you're not at peace. And there aren't good options around, so I can certainly understand doing "house church" rather than just "giving up".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI don't think persecution in the US will be of sufficient nature to affect our mainline Churches for the forseeable future. I see our mainline Churches becoming less effective and more... um... complacent.
It seem to me an increasingly influential part of the county sees no difference between the stand of Westboro and a conservative church. (For the record, I get the difference.) The persecution will probably starting in the Northeast and the coasts and moving towards the center. I suspect given my local it will hit me sooner. After all I live in the state where the governor has said that the pro-life people don't place in the state.
I don't know if they will be foolish enough to actually enter the Republic of Texas."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostThe mainlines won't be persecuted because you won't be able to tell their position apart from society's. They may be the ones Jesus was referring to when He talked about persecutors will think they are serving God.
It seem to me an increasingly influential part of the county sees no difference between the stand of Westboro and a conservative church. (For the record, I get the difference.)
The persecution will probably starting in the Northeast and the coasts and moving towards the center. I suspect given my local it will hit me sooner. After all I live in the state where the governor has said that the pro-life people don't place in the state.
I don't know if they will be foolish enough to actually enter the Republic of Texas.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post. . . pray at high school football games, graduations, and school flag poles.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostSchool flag poles?
I just kinda threw that in there.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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The flag pole thing is done here in the Midwest too."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe flag pole thing is done here in the Midwest too.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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