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    One of the trademarks of cheats and liars is that they eventually wish to censor anything that shows them for what they truly are. As an example of this, for years I commented on CNBC's site and while there noticed certain things. CNBC, in case you didn't know, is among the filthiest FAKE NEWS liars in corporate media. But let me not digress and get back to the main point ...

    As a regular commentator on the endless fake news that CNBC puts out, I noticed that somewhere between 75% and 85% of all comments (thousands upon thousands of comments!) blasted CNBC and their lies. People weren't swallowing the lies! What did CNBC do? They DELETED the ability to comment! Now you can read CNBC's lies but you cannot call them out for what they are - lies! That is how liars and cheats operate - silence dissent; censor the truth.

    What does this have to do with Science 301 and Evolutionism? Recently the University of Edinburgh put out a video containing a lecture that called out Evolution and its lies. Here it is (or better said WAS):


    https://twitter.com/Evolutionistrue/...95385367703552

    Apostle Jerry Coyne later tweeted "The video has been taken down."


    However, It was still on Youtube ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLku...2bm0Dtj2FHqfbT

    Don't bother to look for it --- it too was taken down.

    By the way, the lecturer called BOTH Evolutionism and Creationism "pseudoscience". Of course I disagree with what he says about Creationism but, good grief, I wouldn't delete his lecture for that! Let dissenting views express themselves ... let people decide ... let there be freedom of expression.

    But that is NOT the way of Evolutionism, Communism, Fascism or any Totalitarian, lie-based mindset.


    You see, that's how psycho-criminals-liars operate ----- they allow ONLY for their lies to be promoted and do whatever they have to in order to silence everyone else lest the truth be known. They don't want to be caught in their lies -- this could cost them a great deal including being put in prison (think Bill and Hillary Clinton). The FAKE NEWS media that is running amok today is a vivid example of this principle.

    Hence, for those of you claiming to be "truth seekers" while fanatically adhering to Evolutionism, shame on you! Repent today and begin right away seeking out the truth.

    A very good start would be to read the book Zombie Science (2017) by Jonathan Wells. It is a delightful, easy-to-read, well-written, humorous book that lays the truth in plain sight -- not even a blind person could miss it.

    I know that the die-hard fanatics will never bother to look (primarily for the reasons I wrote about at the start of this post) but at least I'm doing what I can to help lead the lost out of darkness.

    Last but not least, my Information Work is currently in the hands of three reviewers. Progress is slow but it's happening. Updates will follow ...

    Jorge

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jorge View Post
    One of the trademarks of cheats and liars is that they eventually wish to censor anything that shows them for what they truly are. As an example of this, for years I commented on CNBC's site and while there noticed certain things. CNBC, in case you didn't know, is among the filthiest FAKE NEWS liars in corporate media. But let me not digress and get back to the main point ...

    As a regular commentator on the endless fake news that CNBC puts out, I noticed that somewhere between 75% and 85% of all comments (thousands upon thousands of comments!) blasted CNBC and their lies. People weren't swallowing the lies! What did CNBC do? They DELETED the ability to comment! Now you can read CNBC's lies but you cannot call them out for what they are - lies! That is how liars and cheats operate - silence dissent; censor the truth.

    What does this have to do with Science 301 and Evolutionism? Recently the University of Edinburgh put out a video containing a lecture that called out Evolution and its lies. Here it is (or better said WAS):


    https://twitter.com/Evolutionistrue/...95385367703552

    Apostle Jerry Coyne later tweeted "The video has been taken down."


    However, It was still on Youtube ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLku...2bm0Dtj2FHqfbT

    Don't bother to look for it --- it too was taken down.

    By the way, the lecturer called BOTH Evolutionism and Creationism "pseudoscience". Of course I disagree with what he says about Creationism but, good grief, I wouldn't delete his lecture for that! Let dissenting views express themselves ... let people decide ... let there be freedom of expression.

    But that is NOT the way of Evolutionism, Communism, Fascism or any Totalitarian, lie-based mindset.


    You see, that's how psycho-criminals-liars operate ----- they allow ONLY for their lies to be promoted and do whatever they have to in order to silence everyone else lest the truth be known. They don't want to be caught in their lies -- this could cost them a great deal including being put in prison (think Bill and Hillary Clinton). The FAKE NEWS media that is running amok today is a vivid example of this principle.

    Hence, for those of you claiming to be "truth seekers" while fanatically adhering to Evolutionism, shame on you! Repent today and begin right away seeking out the truth.

    A very good start would be to read the book Zombie Science (2017) by Jonathan Wells. It is a delightful, easy-to-read, well-written, humorous book that lays the truth in plain sight -- not even a blind person could miss it.

    I know that the die-hard fanatics will never bother to look (primarily for the reasons I wrote about at the start of this post) but at least I'm doing what I can to help lead the lost out of darkness.

    Last but not least, my Information Work is currently in the hands of three reviewers. Progress is slow but it's happening. Updates will follow ...

    Jorge
    Here is perhaps a much more accurate take on this particular 'story'

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...-from-the-web/

    In short, the lecture was nonsense spouted by a professor of philosophy with little or no knowledge of the the science of either evolution or creationism.

    I doubt Edinburgh would leave up a course lecture video claiming geocentrism and heliocentrism are equally faith based psuedo-science positions either Jorge.

    There is a difference between the censorship of legitimate but competing ideas and the filtering of utter nonsense* out of a course offered by a university - but not as perceived by those incapable of telling the difference.

    Jim

    *Unfortunately, there is a good bit of utter nonsense that goes unfiltered by universities in the name of academic freedom - especially outside the maths and sciences - but that is a completely different topic.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-29-2018, 08:06 AM.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • #3
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      Here is perhaps a much more accurate take on this particular 'story'

      https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...-from-the-web/

      In short, the lecture was nonsense spouted by a professor of philosophy with little or no knowledge of the the science of either evolution or creationism.

      I doubt Edinburgh would leave up a course lecture video claiming geocentrism and heliocentrism are equally faith based psuedo-science positions either Jorge.

      There is a difference between the censorship of legitimate but competing ideas and the filtering of utter nonsense* out of a course offered by a university - but not as perceived by those incapable of telling the difference.

      Jim

      *Unfortunately, there is a good bit of utter nonsense that goes unfiltered by universities in the name of academic freedom - especially outside the maths and sciences - but that is a completely different topic.
      One of TWeb's own "Apostles for Evolutionism" speaks out --- Boy, that sure didn't take long!

      Couldn't help but notice that you glossed-over the main point of which this event was only one example. I could provide scores of other examples but I will not waste any more of my time on you, O-Mudd. You exemplify perfectly the main point I was making. To wit, note the illegitimate straw man comparison that you illustrated. Heck, why not bring up Flat Earthism also, O-Mudd? That would be your style!

      Jorge

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jorge View Post
        One of TWeb's own "Apostles for Evolutionism" speaks out --- Boy, that sure didn't take long!

        Couldn't help but notice that you glossed-over the main point of which this event was only one example. I could provide scores of other examples but I will not waste any more of my time on you, O-Mudd. You exemplify perfectly the main point I was making. To wit, note the illegitimate straw man comparison that you illustrated. Heck, why not bring up Flat Earthism also, O-Mudd? That would be your style!

        Clucky is one of those morons who think if some scientifically illiterate goober posts something on the internet that automatically makes it true.

        Teach the controversy!

        teach_the_controversy_by_teews666-d3eggqe.jpg

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jorge View Post
          One of the trademarks of cheats and liars is that they eventually wish to censor anything that shows them for what they truly are. As an example of this...
          Time to re-post this about how, when given half a chance, YECs, at the first opportunity they get, seek to censor opposing views
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Interestingly I posted how YECs engage in the behavior that you condemn ("expelling" those who disagree) and like the hypocrite that you are you agreed with their actions saying those who didn't like it should just go elsewhere.
          In the case of DeGeorge and Barnett at Bryan College in Dayton, Tennessee[1], they had conformed to their guidelines (i.e., they are indeed creationists) but this past May a new declaration of faith was issued. As a result the two tenured professors were terminated, nearly a full quarter of the faculty quit instead of signing and a letter of protest was signed by 700 of the nearly 1250 students (including the student body president) there.

          There has been an outbreak of similar cases in recent years. In 2012 Cedarville University near Dayton Ohio[2] dismissed Michael Pahl, widely viewed as an outstanding scholar, who wrote a book ("The Beginning and The End: Rereading Genesis’s Stories and Revelation’s Visions") that administrators viewed as contrary to creationist views in spite of the fact that he fully agrees with the literal six-day creation view and a historical Adam and Eve (and two of Dr. Pahl's colleagues in the Bible department used the book in question as a required text in their own classes). The school even stated that "Dr. Pahl’s orthodoxy and commitment to the gospel are not in question, nor is his commitment to Scripture’s inspiration, authority and infallibility."

          Yet he was still relieved of his teaching duties and CU refuses to disclose exactly what Pahl wrote that got him fired. Some YECs have stated it was because his statement that "the biblical creation stories in Genesis 1-2 is not to answer modern questions about exactly when or precisely how all things came about" are the cause. So it appears that YECs are beginning to eat their own if they suspect they aren't pure enough.

          In 2011 Calvin College experienced similar debate when its board of trustees investigated tenured professors of religion Daniel Harlow and John Schneider after they published controversial articles that questioned the existence of a historical Adam despite the fact that their deans and provost had approved plans to publish their work.

          And we can go further. Like what happened to Bruce Waltke, a preeminent Old Testament scholar, who in 2010 was pressured into resigning his professorship at the Reformed Theological Seminary because he had the temerity to say that he thought that evolution and Christianity were compatible.

          Or to Richard Colling at Olivet Nazarene University in Illinois, who wrote a Theistic Evolutionist (TE) book after which he was summarily prohibited from teaching the general biology class, a version of which he had taught for 16 years[3]

          Or to Nancey Murphy, an ordained minister in the Church of the Brethren and a Professor of Christian Philosophy at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California, where the "Father of Intelligent Design" Phillip Johnson is a trustee and appears to be trying to get her fired for daring to criticize his book "Darwin on Trial"?[4]

          Or even to prominent ID proponent William Dembski at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary when he wrote that a Christian can reconcile an old Earth creationist view with a literal reading of Adam and Eve and that Noah's Flood was likely a local event rather than global in nature[5]

          Actually none of this is anything new, whenever they get into power YECs have been purging or "Expelling" those who don't agree with them for years (they've just increased the pace).

          Back in 1973 John C. Whitcomb (co-author with Henry Morris of "The Genesis Flood") had Dan E. Wonderly, a conservative OEC removed from his position as a teacher at Grace College (where Whitcomb exercised a great deal of influence) for having the temerity to disagree with the YEC position concerning Noah's Flood specifically regarding "Flood Geology."

          And how the Geoscience Research Institute (a Seventh-Day Adventist creationist think tank) fired the geologists on staff when they concluded that flood geology was a farce (“desperately weak and improbable,” according to one with actual geological training).

          And it hasn't just been teachers/professors

          A few years ago the Director of Science in the curriculum division of the Texas Education Agency (TEA) for nine years, Christine Comer, was "Expelled" by YECs when they gained control.

          Lizzette Reynolds demanded that Comer be fired because she had forwarded an email announcing a lecture being given by Barbara Forrest (who served as an expert witness in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial and is an author of an unflattering book on the Intelligent Design movement) adding "FYI" to it. Reynolds called the email "highly inappropriate" and "an offense that calls for termination or, at the very least, reassignment of responsibilities." Shortly after sending the email, Comer was placed on administrative leave. Monica Martinez, another YEC official cited the email in a memo recommending her termination.

          Many believe her firing is actually in retaliation for the role Comer played in 2003 in blocking an effort to purchase biology textbooks that supported intelligent design and that creationists wanted her removed prior to the next vote on the textbooks.








          1. Named after anti-evolution crusader William Jennings Bryan, the prosecutor of the Scopes Trial of 1925 and long a hot bed for creationist thought

          2. Note that this is the same "institute of higher learning" that cut the staff of their philosophy department and eliminated philosophy and physics majors after a philosophy faculty member wrote an op-ed for the campus newspaper on “Why I am Not Voting for Romney.”

          3. The university’s president John Bowling also banned professors from assigning his book claiming that he banned it in order to "get the bull's-eye off Colling and let the storm die down." Yeah, he did it for his own good.

          4. Johnson readily admits that he called another trustee to discuss her but denies any responsibility for actions taken against her (purely coincidental I'm sure). Murphy isn't buying it. In an article in the “Washington Post” she said, "His tactic has always been to fight dirty when anyone attacks his ideas. For a long time afterward, I would tell reporters I don't want to comment, and I don't want you to say I don't want to comment. I'm tired of being careful."

          5. Dembski was forced to recant after Southwestern Seminary president Paige Patterson (a YEC) informed him that he was facing dismissal.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            In any case Jorge, I hope you and yours have a joyous Easter.

            And that goes for everyone else as well.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              In any case Jorge, I hope you and yours have a joyous Easter.

              And that goes for everyone else as well.
              Thanks but I'm not into traditions. I celebrate every aspect of Christ (His birth, life, Words, death and Resurrection) each and every day of my life. Therefore, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc. are "just another day" for me. Sinful minds want to make these days "special" so as to profit from them in one way or another (e.g., no work, commercialism, religious 'penance', etc.). There are, of course, sincere folk and God bless 'em for that.

              You go ahead and enjoy your holiday. Thanks again for the thought.

              Jorge

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                Thanks but I'm not into traditions. I celebrate every aspect of Christ (His birth, life, Words, death and Resurrection) each and every day of my life. Therefore, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc. are "just another day" for me. Sinful minds want to make these days "special" so as to profit from them in one way or another (e.g., no work, commercialism, religious 'penance', etc.). There are, of course, sincere folk and God bless 'em for that.

                You go ahead and enjoy your holiday. Thanks again for the thought.

                Jorge
                Self righteous much?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                  Thanks but I'm not into traditions. I celebrate every aspect of Christ (His birth, life, Words, death and Resurrection) each and every day of my life. Therefore, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc. are "just another day" for me. Sinful minds want to make these days "special" so as to profit from them in one way or another (e.g., no work, commercialism, religious 'penance', etc.). There are, of course, sincere folk and God bless 'em for that.

                  You go ahead and enjoy your holiday. Thanks again for the thought.

                  Jorge
                  Jorge - there is nothing wrong, and a lot good, with setting aside time to celebrate in a heightened manner certain aspects of the faith. You would find you benefit from it if you could find the humility to allow yourself to do so.

                  He is Risen!


                  Jim
                  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                  This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whag View Post
                    Self righteous much?
                    Nah. Self righteous is too tame a descriptor for what Jorge is.
                    "When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."

                    — Alfred North Whitehead

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                      One of the trademarks of cheats and liars is that they eventually wish to censor anything that shows them for what they truly are.

                      You see, that's how psycho-criminals-liars operate ----- they allow ONLY for their lies to be promoted and do whatever they have to in order to silence everyone else lest the truth be known. They don't want to be caught in their lies -- this could cost them a great deal including being put in prison (think Bill and Hillary Clinton). The FAKE NEWS media that is running amok today is a vivid example of this principle.

                      Hence, for those of you claiming to be "truth seekers" while fanatically adhering to Evolutionism, shame on you! Repent today and begin right away seeking out the truth.

                      A very good start would be to read the book Zombie Science (2017) by Jonathan Wells. It is a delightful, easy-to-read, well-written, humorous book that lays the truth in plain sight -- not even a blind person could miss it.

                      Jorge
                      Along these lines, for those of you genuinely interested in TRUTH I recommend the book Heretic: One Scientist's Journey from Darwin to Design.

                      https://www.amazon.com/Heretic-Scien...eisola+heretic

                      Again, such things are for TRUTH-SEEKERS.
                      That is going to exclude many of you here on TWeb.
                      Here are a few comments on the book:

                      "What happens when an up-and-coming European bioscientist flips from Darwin disciple to Darwin defector? Sparks fly. Just ask biotechnologist Matti Leisola. It all started when a student loaned the Finnish scientist a book criticizing evolutionary theory. Leisola reacted angrily, and set out to defend evolution, but found his efforts raised more questions than they answered. He soon morphed into a full-on Darwin skeptic, even as he was on his way to becoming a leading bio-engineer."

                      "Award-winning Finnish biotechnologist Matti Leisola has written a fascinating account of what happens when a scientist follows the evidence wherever it leads. Leisola's account of how he succeeded should inspire up-and-coming scientists who face the same challenge." Jonathan Wells, PhD

                      "Scientists, like all other intellectuals, have ideas about what constitutes and what does not constitute reality. However, they are often not aware-and sometimes not ready to admit-that such ideas represent the principles of their philosophy. Leisola and Witt's Heretic is a unique first-hand account of the life-long adventures of a scientist who dared to challenge philosophical principles of colleague scientists. In my opinion, the outcome shows that to many scientists their philosophy is dearer than their science." Biochemist and inventor Branko Kozulic, PhD

                      "This book is an exciting story about how a scientist's relentless search for truth makes him a heretic in the eyes of a cultural community more concerned about prestige than principle." Tapio Puolimatka, PhD and EdD, University of Jyvaskyla, Finland


                      Leisola joins a very long list of prominent scientists that (in some way) have been EXPELLED for seeking, finding and then expressing the Truth to a "scientific" community that, for a variety of reasons, is much more interested in promoting lies.

                      Enjoy!

                      Jorge

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        Jorge - there is nothing wrong, and a lot good, with setting aside time to celebrate in a heightened manner certain aspects of the faith. You would find you benefit from it if you could find the humility to allow yourself to do so.

                        He is Risen!


                        Jim
                        Try reading FOR COMPREHENSION what I wrote.
                        You are truly as dumb as a sack of rusty hammers, O-Mudd!
                        Well, either that or a very dishonest person - I'll let you decide which.

                        Jorge
                        Last edited by Jorge; 04-04-2018, 06:12 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Duragizer View Post
                          Nah. Self righteous is too tame a descriptor for what Jorge is.
                          IDIOT # 1 : whag
                          IDIOT # 2 : Duragizer

                          And they are in fierce competition for the # 1 spot!!!

                          Jorge

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                          • #14
                            Again, keep in mind that whenever and wherever YECs get even a whiff of power they immediately engage in the behavior that they claim they've been subjected to -- and in spades. Moreover, they quickly start eating their own, "expelling" their fellow YECs who they have judged, in their infinite wisdom, to not be doctrinally pure enough. And then they self-righteously justify this behavior -- much like how Jorge did when I originally posted that list of YECs expelling folks (see post #5) when he sniffed that if those expelled didn't like it then they should go elsewhere.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jorge View Post

                              IDIOT

                              And they are in fierce competition for the # 1 spot!!!

                              Don't worry Clucky. Your lead is so huge no one will ever catch up.

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