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  • #16
    Sure. If we get eternity in a perfect universe, I might as well experience everything an imperfect one has to offer first.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      If they invented a way to cure all disease and let you live forever young and healthy (barring accidents) would you take it?

      Why or why not.
      Honestly, this very question brought on a mini crisis of faith for me back in the day.

      I was reading a book about what would be possible in the future and it was speculated that we could just upload our brains into a computer. This would allow us to live however long we wanted. For now I am ignoring the philosophical issue of would that really be "me" in the computer, let us assume that it is.

      Would this be what God would want?

      Would I be considered an abomination?

      Do I have enough faith that God exists to forego this chance to live forever?
      Last edited by element771; 03-30-2018, 11:41 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by element771 View Post
        Honestly, this very question brought on a mini crisis of faith for me back in the day.

        I was reading a book about what would be possible in the future and it was speculated that we could just upload our brains into a computer. This would allow us to live however long we wanted. For now I am ignoring the philosophical issue of would that really be "me" in the computer, let us assume that it is.

        Would this be what God would want?

        Would I be considered an abomination?

        Do I have enough faith that God exists to forego this chance to live forever?
        Or what if the real you died and went to heaven while this digital copy of you lived on in a computer?

        Personally I don't see any problem with wanting to extend your life, we already do that. That is why we take care of ourselves and go to doctors and try to cure disease. This would just be the next step: no aging or disease. I am not talking about making computer copies of yourself like you are though. That would just be a copy, not the real you anyway. Even if there is no soul.

        But would it be wrong to extend your life indefinitely if you are a Christian? Is that being unfaithful? Eventually if we are right Jesus will come back and it will be moot anyway, right? Or would we lose our faith over time if we lived for 10000 years?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Or what if the real you died and went to heaven while this digital copy of you lived on in a computer?

          Personally I don't see any problem with wanting to extend your life, we already do that. That is why we take care of ourselves and go to doctors and try to cure disease. This would just be the next step: no aging or disease. I am not talking about making computer copies of yourself like you are though. That would just be a copy, not the real you anyway. Even if there is no soul.

          But would it be wrong to extend your life indefinitely if you are a Christian? Is that being unfaithful? Eventually if we are right Jesus will come back and it will be moot anyway, right? Or would we lose our faith over time if we lived for 10000 years?
          The way I see it is, that no matter what we do to extend our life, if God wants to take us home, He will. My time here is in His hands, and if He wants me to linger here for many years, that's up to Him. If He wants me home tomorrow it makes no difference what I do today to extend my life.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            But would it be wrong to extend your life indefinitely if you are a Christian? Is that being unfaithful? Eventually if we are right Jesus will come back and it will be moot anyway, right? Or would we lose our faith over time if we lived for 10000 years?
            That is what I am wondering.

            In the Garden of Eden, didn't God block off the tree of eternal life once we ate from the tree of knowledge?

            But your point is taken as well... we extend our lives all of the time, at what point is it bad?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by element771 View Post
              That is what I am wondering.

              In the Garden of Eden, didn't God block off the tree of eternal life once we ate from the tree of knowledge?

              But your point is taken as well... we extend our lives all of the time, at what point is it bad?
              Like mossy said, when God wants to take you home, you go. We can't argue with God.

              I don't think there would be anything wrong with extending your life as long as you could. If they offered a way to abolish aging and disease, I don't really see any reason not to accept it. Who wants to grow old or get sick?

              But if there were artificial means like you mentioned where a copy of you could live on, whether in a computer, or through cloning a body and transferring memories, I don't think I would do that. That would just be a copy of you. The original you would still die. Kinda like the old star trek transporter thing. If they destroy you and recreate a copy of you over there, that isn't you anymore. If they created the copy of you over there but forgot to destroy the original - there would be two of you. One original and one copy.

              I read some sci-fi story like that once. They offered to put your mind in an android body so you could live forever. But it turns out that they didn't destroy the original you. They sent the originals to the moon and used them as slave labor without rights, while the copy of you was blissfully unaware.


              eta: found the book. Mindscan by Robert Sawyer:
              https://www.amazon.com/Mindscan-Robe...=UTF8&qid=&sr=
              Last edited by Sparko; 03-30-2018, 01:12 PM.

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              • #22
                At best, until Christ returns, giving the 1000 years before the end of the universe. When He returns there will be for the redeemed immortality.
                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I read some sci-fi story like that once. They offered to put your mind in an android body so you could live forever. But it turns out that they didn't destroy the original you. They sent the originals to the moon and used them as slave labor without rights, while the copy of you was blissfully unaware.
                  That sounds a lot like the movie Moon with Sam Rockwell.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by element771 View Post
                    That sounds a lot like the movie Moon with Sam Rockwell.
                    never saw it.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      If they invented a way to cure all disease and let you live forever young and healthy (barring accidents) would you take it?

                      Why or why not.
                      Sure! I've now got the experience to not repeat the same mistakes - and maybe with a second chance, I could do so much better for Him and the Kingdom.
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                      • #26
                        I think this would be a net negative for humanity. Glenn Miller's theodicy as relates to animal death/predation focuses on resource hogging. He argues that animal death can be considered a good thing because it allows more animals to have a good life under the sun rather than just letting a few animals live indefinitely. You can consider the same principle with humans. There isn't enough room/resources on earth for an infinite amount of people to live.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I specifically said "barring accidents"

                          You would not be invulnerable. You could still die if someone killed you, or you were in a car accident, etc. But there would be no disease, no alzheimers, no obesity, no mental illness. You could potentially live forever at a young age, with good health physically and mentally.
                          Yes, please.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            I think this would be a net negative for humanity. Glenn Miller's theodicy as relates to animal death/predation focuses on resource hogging. He argues that animal death can be considered a good thing because it allows more animals to have a good life under the sun rather than just letting a few animals live indefinitely. You can consider the same principle with humans. There isn't enough room/resources on earth for an infinite amount of people to live.
                            we could move off planet eventually.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              If they invented a way to cure all disease and let you live forever young and healthy (barring accidents) would you take it?

                              Why or why not.
                              No thanks - absolutely not ! This, from chapter 13 of The Magician’s Nephew, more or less sums it up: “"No thanks," said Digory, "I don't know that I care much about living on and on after everyone I know is dead. I'd rather live an ordinary time and die and go to Heaven."”

                              http://fullbooks.net/the-magicians-n...en-136365.html

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
                                No thanks - absolutely not ! This, from chapter 13 of The Magician’s Nephew, more or less sums it up: “"No thanks," said Digory, "I don't know that I care much about living on and on after everyone I know is dead. I'd rather live an ordinary time and die and go to Heaven."”

                                http://fullbooks.net/the-magicians-n...en-136365.html
                                I think the assumption in the O.P. is that we would all live forever, not that just ourself would live forever while all our friends and relatives died off.

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