Murder Rate In London...

[One Bad Pig]

Actually, I’ve read it as specifically the bit I mentioned, rather than all police in general. I don’t think ‘liberals’ are anti-police as a rule, and to claim that would be to be making the same mistake you claim they make in your post above.

[ETA] that was overwrought. To claim liberals are anti police due to a handful of loud individuals is making the same mistake you think they’re making by besmirching all police due to a handful of bad eggs.

I also work with police here in the uk on a daily basis and have great respect for them, so in retrospect my initial post was flippant.

True. Not all liberals are anti police. When a certain culture which tends to vote heavily liberal also listens to popular music which is violently anti-police, that tends to colo(u)r my thinking.

[Sparko]

Not all liberals are anti-police. But many are. Especially the Antifa and BLM factions and it has become an internet meme.


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[rogue06]

Are they? I thought they were against police shooting first & asking questions later.

Of course if their lives weren’t in danger through a lot of the populace having easy access to firearms this would be less of an issue.

When Hillary ran for president in 2008 they introduced a few police officers at a rally who were met by loud boos from the attendees much to the campaign's horror -- there were TV cameras there. But not to worry, the national news shows spiked the story although it got a good deal of local play and was, of course, shown on Fox News.

[rogue06]

You’re clearly working under some huge misunderstanding of pro-gun control arguments, which is hard to believe given there’s been several threads on this topic recently, or you’re being deliberately obtuse. Which would you like to go for?

Either you’re deliberately misrepresenting the argument, or you’ve been unable to grasp it. I can’t off hand think of another reason for the above- other than base trolling.

Or maybe you suffer from a humor deficiency.

[EvoUK]

They were either mildly facetious and setting up a strawman, or they were just the usual daft gun control arguments. I decided to play it safe.

[One Bad Pig]

They were either mildly facetious and setting up a strawman, or they were just the usual daft gun control arguments. I decided to play it safe.

This is an example of British humour, isn't it?

[rogue06]

They were either mildly facetious and setting up a strawman, or they were just the usual daft gun control arguments. I decided to play it safe.

My mom wanted to name me Facetious.

[EvoUK]

This is an example of British humour, isn't it?

That would be telling.

[EvoUK]

My mom wanted to name me Facetious.

Was it too close to your brothers name Cletus?

[rogue06]

Was it too close to your brothers name Cletus?

Nah, the neighbors named their cat Facetious just before I was bornified.

[Littlejoe]

And now, in London a 78 year old man is arrested for killing a burglar who broke into his house in the middle of the night, by stabbing him to death. The facts are not all in, it's still unclear whether the stabbing was from the screwdriver or a bladed weapon of some kind. But, in but the initial read is he tackled a burglar in the kitchen who was armed with a screw driver, and the man stabbed. Later collapsed in the street and was DOA.

So, in London, you can't even defend your home and family against burglars??? You are just supposed to let them come in and steal whatever they want and let them peacefully leave? I'm gobsmacked. I just hope this isn't where we are headed in America.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-break-in.html

[Starlight]

I thought the Brits were so much more civilized than us?

Yes.



The number of murders in London is about 3 times lower than New York, and the cities are pretty much the same size in population. There's been a few recent murders in London which has pushed the this-month statistics higher than NY, however it evens out and so far this year in total there's been more murders in NY than London, as per usual.

The only way to stop the stabbing violence is to ban all kitchen utensils.

Actually there are different types of knifes and some are a lot easier to kill people with than others. I'm not a knife expert, but the basic differences seem to be:
1. Stabbing vs cutting - Does it have a sharp point on the end that it can be stabbed into someone (weapon), or does it have a blunt point and a sharp side that can be used for cutting things (kitchen)?
2. Double-sided vs single-sided - Kitchen knives only need a single side to be sharp for cutting, but a knife that is sharp on both sides makes a better weapon.
3. Potential concealment - When using a knife as a weapon, it is optimal if it can be hidden easily right up to use and flicked out suddenly, so knives with 'flick-blades' etc make better weapons than kitchen knives that are just carried in your hand or very awkwardly hidden under clothing.

It is probably worth banning the types that are more appropriate as weapons than for the kitchen. i.e. ban stabbing knives, double-sided knives, and easily-concealable knives. As previously discussed, here in New Zealand such knives are banned. So, yes, you can have a knife ban to get rid of murder weapons, and kitchen knives don't actually make great murder weapons - they have the possibility of killing but are more likely to injure rather than kill and would probably lose to a baseball bat in a fight.

I think it pretty much proves that the problem is with people, not the implements they use. But then Christianity has been saying this for 2000 years.

Christianity has been wrong for 2000 years? Not really surprising. Are you really implying that a nuclear weapon isn't any more dangerous than a kitchen knife, and that giving every single person in the world a nuke would be no different to giving every single person a kitchen knife? Does the implement really make no difference?

[Starlight]

And now, in London a 78 year old man is arrested for killing a burglar who broke into his house in the middle of the night, by stabbing him to death. The facts are not all, it's still unclear whether the stabbing was from the screwdriver or a bladed weapon of some kind. But, in but the initial read is he tackled a burglar in the kitchen who was armed with a screw driver, and the man stabbed. Later collapsed in the street and was DOA.

So, in London, you can't even defend your home and family against burglars??? You are just supposed to let them come in and steal whatever they want and let them peacefully leave? I'm gobsmacked. I just hope this isn't where we are headed in America.

Arrested isn't the same as prosecuted and found guilty. If you kill someone then it's unsurprising that police would want to arrest you and have a long talk about it at the very least.

Furthermore, under the laws of not-America, you can't just kill someone. Them being in your house doesn't give you the right to kill them, that's still murder. Someone doing something wrong doesn't give you a blank check to kill them, that would still be murder. Unlike America, the rest of the Western world actually values life, and doesn't let people murder others at the drop of a hat. There's no 'stand your ground' laws allowing you to shoot someone dead if they encroach on your space, and the police don't kill anyone they see. The self-defense exception to a murder charge requires that only "reasonable force" be used.

[Littlejoe]

Arrested isn't the same as prosecuted and found guilty. If you kill someone then it's unsurprising that police would want to arrest you and have a long talk about it at the very least.

Furthermore, under the laws of not-America, you can't just kill someone. Them being in your house doesn't give you the right to kill them, that's still murder. Someone doing something wrong doesn't give you a blank check to kill them, that would still be murder. Unlike America, the rest of the Western world actually values life, and doesn't let people murder others at the drop of a hat. There's no 'stand your ground' laws allowing you to shoot someone dead if they encroach on your space, and the police don't kill anyone they see. The self-defense exception to a murder charge requires that only "reasonable force" be used.

This isn't a case of someone coming into a house to sell a vacuum cleaner in the middle of the afternoon and ends up dead. These guys broke into the house around midnight armed with (at least) a screwdriver. He didn't "just kill someone in the house" he killed an armed burglar. There's no telling what was planned in the break in.

Have you experienced someone in your house in the middle of the night? I have, it's terrifying. Fortunately for the one who broke into my house, I did not catch him in time, he left when my daughter (who was a toddler) started screaming. Not-America will see a rise in break-ins and violent crime when it becomes apparent that you are not allowed to fight back. This is akin to giving a bully carte blanche to terrorize you and you have to just take it. I had enough of that as well in school. I got suspended more than once, but people stopped messing with the shortest kid in school after that.

My sister and her husband lived in a quiet neighborhood in Michigan. After my B-I-L left for work, 2 men from down the street, kicked in the door to there house and walked in with knives. My sister met them at the top of the stairs with a AR-15. They immediately dropped the knives and ran back down the stairs and out the door.

In my experience, people change their minds about self defense when they are actually assaulted and have to defend themselves. My guess is your disdain for those of us who choose armed self defense stems from being a man, probably bigger than average, (IIRC you mentioned this somewhere on the site?) and possibly trained in a martial art or has had some self defense? You don't fear 2 men kicking in your door like my 110 lb 5'4" sister home alone, and police 20 minutes away...

[Littlejoe]

The difference between the US and Not-America.

OKLAHOMA CITY – An Oklahoma prosecutor said Monday no charges will be filed against a 23-year-old man who fatally shot three teenage intruders in his home, but that the woman who drove them there is being charged with first-degree murder.Authorities say Zachary Peters was home alone when he shot Maxwell Cook, Jacob Redfern and Jakob Woodruff with an AR-15 rifle on March 27 at his home just outside the Tulsa suburb of Broken Arrow.

https://nypost.com/2017/04/04/man-wh...nt-be-charged/

I'll take America thank you!