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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    And what, exactly, was illogical about the Stalinist or Maoists murdering or imprisoning millions of dissident for social cohesion and political power?
    It depends on what they actually value.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      It depends on what they actually value.
      Political power and control. Their political power and control. So their acts were rational - correct?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        Political power and control. Their political power and control. So their acts were rational - correct?
        If that is all they value - yes. Within their framework, they could well be rational.
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          If that is all they value - yes. Within their framework, they could well be rational.
          Well they valued that over the lives of dissidents.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            Political power and control. Their political power and control. So their acts were rational - correct?
            There acts were rational according to their ideology just as Moses' acts were rational according to his ideology, when he slaughtered every man among the Midianites. Totalitarianism tends to be the regrettable result of rigidly conformist societies, whether theistic or political.
            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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            • More fascist indoctrination:

              California school district says parents can’t pull kids from new LGBT sex ed

              In a memo dated March 29 to the Orange County Board of Education, Orange County Department of Education general counsel Ronald Wenkart says that the law’s opt-out provision “does not apply to instruction, materials, or programming that discusses gender, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, discrimination, harassment, bullying, intimidation, relationships, or family and does not discuss human reproductive organs.”

              Parents who disagree with the state’s LGBT positions “may not excuse their children from this instruction,” Wenkart continues. He then suggests that parents still having the right to “advise their children that they disagree with” such lessons compensates for this restriction.

              He also cites judicial precedent to claim that “parents do not have a constitutional right to excuse their children from portions of the school curriculum that they find objectionable.”
              https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ca...ew-lgbt-sex-ed
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                There acts were rational according to their ideology just as Moses' acts were rational according to his ideology, when he slaughtered every man among the Midianites. Totalitarianism tends to be the regrettable result of rigidly conformist societies, whether theistic or political.
                Like there is something morally wrong with totalitarianism in your ethically relative world - just animals being animals...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Like there is something morally wrong with totalitarianism in your ethically relative world - just animals being animals...
                  Totalitarian governments tend to have very little crime or chaos. Everyone is very well behaved and obedient to the state. So it must be good!

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Totalitarian governments tend to have very little crime or chaos. Everyone is very well behaved and obedient to the state. So it must be good!
                    As Tass says - social cohesion.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Totalitarian governments tend to have very little crime or chaos. Everyone is very well behaved and obedient to the state. So it must be good!
                      Is that what conservatives like about the (above) the law and order president, Trump?

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Well they valued that over the lives of dissidents.
                        Historically accurate, as far as I know - and not unusual for dictators and strongmen. They tend to value power and/or prestige/position (and often wealth) over almost everything else.
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Is that what conservatives like about the (above) the law and order president, Trump?
                          Yes JimL, because Trump is a dictator. That is why everyone in America is scared of him and obeys everything he says. He has an iron fist around the throat of Congress and the Media and they do everything he says.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Yes JimL, because Trump is a dictator. That is why everyone in America is scared of him and obeys everything he says. He has an iron fist around the throat of Congress and the Media and they do everything he says.
                            Well, that certainly describes the republican congress.

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                            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Well, that certainly describes the republican congress.
                              What rock have you been hiding under? Trump couldn't even get them to pass the healthcare bill.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                What rock have you been hiding under? Trump couldn't even get them to pass the healthcare bill.
                                I think you mean that he couldn't get them to repeal healthcare, not pass healthcare. But they certainly tried, its just that they still have a couple of principled republicans amongst their ranks and thanks to just a couple of them, including the deciding vote of John McCain, they were not quite able to screw the american people over like they would have liked.

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