FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

[carpedm9587]

"Linked to Russia". So what? There are thousands of people in Washington DC who are "linked to Russia", and not a single one of those links is evidence, let alone proof of collusion. That's why I asked for not insinuation, conjecture, and idle speculation but real, solid evidence that would actually stand up in court, because "links to Russia" doesn't cut it.

Well?

Like I said, MM, a waste of effort. You'll just deflect...

So whistle away...and feel free to pat yourself on the back for an argument you "won"

[Mountain Man]

I accept your grudging concession.

[Mountain Man]

Risensteim says that Trump is not a target of any part of Mueller's investigation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=politics

[Tassman]

Risensteim says that Trump is not a target of any part of Mueller's investigation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=politics

From the same link: "Rosenstein’s message may have been based on a technicality. Trump may not officially be a target, but Mueller hasn’t ruled out making him one at some point in the future, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the unfolding investigation".

[Tassman]

You mean exactly what Obama did and received gushing praise for by the same folks who are now pretending to be outraged?

No I mean what I said. In the light of the St Petersburg Troll Factory and Cambridge Analytica’s role in using Social media to discredit Hillary and Obama and promote the Trump candidacy, I just don’t believe the bad things about Hillary and Obama. I believe them to be manufactured. The "outrage" is perfectly genuine. By all accounts Russia controlled the 2016 election and got its preferred candidate into power.

[Mountain Man]

From the same link: "Rosenstein’s message may have been based on a technicality. Trump may not officially be a target, but Mueller hasn’t ruled out making him one at some point in the future, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the unfolding investigation".

That Trump isn't a target already, and apparently hasn't been from the beginning, is a significant point and demolishes a whole bunch of liberal talking points.

[Charles]

That Trump isn't a target already, and apparently hasn't been from the beginning, is a significant point and demolishes a whole bunch of liberal talking points.

Well, we knew from the start so I don't see the significance. You are bringing well known information long before we heard it the first time and pretend it is news.

[Mountain Man]

Well, we knew from the start so I don't see the significance. You are bringing well known information long before we heard it the first time and pretend it is news.

That Rosenstein thought it important enough to reiterate again is significant, as is the fact that despite being intensely investigated since before the election. there is still no probable cause to target Trump. And now the Comey memos call into question whether or not the Mueller investigation should have even been started in the first place!

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[Charles]

That Rosenstein thought it important enough to reiterate again is significant, as is the fact that despite being intensely investigated since before the election. there is still no probable cause to target Trump. And now the Comey memos call into question whether or not the Mueller investigation should have even been started in the first place!

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But that was not what you pointed to as being significant. You seem to miss the point that this was always about the Trump campaign and not the person. That may change but you simply seem to have missed some basics as to what this is and was all about.

There is a lot that we don't know much about yet and you recently quoted one of Muellers spokesmen telling people to be cautious before they conclude.

[One Bad Pig]

You seem to miss the point that this was always about the Trump campaign and not the person.

Revisionist history at its finest. It's always been all about the person; the campaign angle is nothing more than an attempt to get at him.

[Charles]

Revisionist history at its finest. It's always been all about the person; the campaign angle is nothing more than an attempt to get at him.

An unsupported claim. We all know the task Mueller was given. Feel free to bring evidence supporting your claim if you can.

[Mountain Man]

Revisionist history at its finest. It's always been all about the person; the campaign angle is nothing more than an attempt to get at him.

Yep. Liberals are suddenly saying, "Oh, but we knew this all along!" when they've been whooping and hollering about Trump's guilt and "They're gon git 'em any day now!" since before the election.

It's hard to keep up with the shifting narratives from the left.

[One Bad Pig]

An unsupported claim. We all know the task Mueller was given. Feel free to bring evidence supporting your claim if you can.

Here you go.

Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win

[Charles]

Here you go.

Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win

All you can provide is a link to a book? And currently it is not even for sale... Feel free to share some evidence from the book or elsewhere.

[JimL]

Revisionist history at its finest. It's always been all about the person; the campaign angle is nothing more than an attempt to get at him.

First off the person sucks, but putting that aside, this didn't begin as an investigation into the person of Trump. But even if it did so what? If there was evidence of his personal corruption, to connections with Russian oligarchs connected to Putin, evidence of money laundering, and special deals with Russian banks etc etc, then I want it investigated, and so would you, if the shoe were on H. Clinton or Obama's foot.