Yet more Evolutionist censorship ...

[Jorge]

I recently wrote about the fact that liars cannot afford to have both sides of an issue heard because that would expose them and their lies. That could have serious consequences for them, even prison (think Bill and Hillary Clinton).

The latest example of this is Dr. Jerry Bergman's book Evolution's Blunders, Frauds and Forgeries. This book has sold / is selling very well. Amazon carried it for a while and then suddenly they began listing the book as "unavailable" (which is a lie).

Here are Dr. Bergman's own words:

"The latest from Creation Ministries International. Amazon sold 96 copies of my book ... in (just) a couple of weeks, and reordered it ... but it has now been close to 3 months it has been listed as "unavailable", which is not true. CMI is very frustrated and has been in constant touch with them and each time they "read from a script." CMI and others feel it may have been censored. You can buy it from CMI and ICR at the same price offered on Amazon, and it looks like that is your only choice. It seems that Amazon will not carry it, ever. It appears to me that someone at Amazon is blocking it based purely on the basis of the title. So far 6 reviews are up, all 5 star."

As I've stated, censorship of the truth is one of the tools of liars and dishonest people. Where you find censorship of scholarly works you will invariably find liars and criminals. Yes, Dr. Bergman's book is a scholarly work filled with references/sources for anyone to verify what is being stated.

Jorge

[Roy]

Looks like has been zapped by the Discordians' Orbital Mind Control Lasers.

Nothing else could possibly explain why he thinks
- not stocking a book is censorship
- 96 copies is "sellinhis is g very well"
- Jerry 'Marx-read-Darwin-before-it-was-published' 'Carbon-12-is-irreducibly-complex' Bergman is scholarly or truthful
- Amazon is controlled by "Evolutionists".

This is a classic example of how the New World Order contrive to make their opponents appear to be ineffectual incompetent idiots.

[carpedm9587]

Looks like has been zapped by the Discordians' Orbital Mind Control Lasers.

Nothing else could possibly explain why he thinks
- not stocking a book is censorship
- 96 copies is "sellinhis is g very well"
- Jerry 'Marx-read-Darwin-before-it-was-published' 'Carbon-12-is-irreducibly-complex' Bergman is scholarly or truthful
- Amazon is controlled by "Evolutionists".

This is a classic example of how the New World Order contrive to make their opponents appear to be ineffectual incompetent idiots.

Not to mention that anyone can create an Amazon account, and sell things themselves. So if the author wants to sell these books on Amazon, as far as I know they can. Amazon is probably simply not stocking the books themselves because they aren't selling.

Also - if the author gets the book rendered as an eBook and audio book, Amazon will probably sell it every day of the week because it occupies no shelf space.

[rogue06]

Not to mention that anyone can create an Amazon account, and sell things themselves. So if the author wants to sell these books on Amazon, as far as I know they can. Amazon is probably simply not stocking the books themselves because they aren't selling.

Also - if the author gets the book rendered as an eBook and audio book, Amazon will probably sell it every day of the week because it occupies no shelf space.

And the little detail that they sell dozens and dozens of YEC and ID books -- including some others by Bergman^[1] -- makes any cries of censorship look a bit daft.











1 An example. And another. And yet another.

[Jorge]

Not to mention that anyone can create an Amazon account, and sell things themselves. So if the author wants to sell these books on Amazon, as far as I know they can. Amazon is probably simply not stocking the books themselves because they aren't selling.

Also - if the author gets the book rendered as an eBook and audio book, Amazon will probably sell it every day of the week because it occupies no shelf space.

Clearly you haven't a clue of what you are speaking about. Censorship is rampant, almost at Russian KGB levels.

To wit: in another area (political-economic) I have many contacts in the alt-media community that have had their YouTube videos deleted and their sites/accounts demonetized and/or terminated merely because they spoke TRUTHS (verifiable truths!) about the present Fascist regime in the USA. Comrade Stalin can't have the truth about himself being spread, you know.

But as I said, you appear to be totally clueless of these matters.

Jorge

[oxmixmudd]

Clearly you haven't a clue of what you are speaking about. Censorship is rampant, almost at Russian KGB levels.

To wit: in another area (political-economic) I have many contacts in the alt-media community that have had their YouTube videos deleted and their sites/accounts demonetized and/or terminated merely because they spoke TRUTHS (verifiable truths!) about the present Fascist regime in the USA. Comrade Stalin can't have the truth about himself being spread, you know.

But as I said, you appear to be totally clueless of these matters.

Jorge

Verifyable truths?

Like Area 51 and little aliens?

Like 911 was a fabrication of a vast government conspiracy who blew up the twin towers 'cause there is no way a 767 fully fueled and flying straight into a tower at 400+ miles per hour and the ensuing hours of aviation jet fuel activated fire could make it fall down ...

etc.

etc.

etc.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Yep Jorge, I'm sure they were kicked off for speaking 'verifyable truths'. And I'm sure you are would be THE FELLOW qualified to report those events with full objectivity.

Jim

[rogue06]

Clearly you haven't a clue of what you are speaking about. Censorship is rampant, almost at Russian KGB levels.

And clearly exhibited the moment YECs gain any sort of control anywhere:

Interestingly I posted how YECs engage in the behavior that you condemn ("expelling" those who disagree) and like the hypocrite that you are you agreed with their actions saying those who didn't like it should just go elsewhere.

In the case of DeGeorge and Barnett at Bryan College in Dayton, Tennessee^[1], they had conformed to their guidelines (i.e., they are indeed creationists) but this past May a new declaration of faith was issued. As a result the two tenured professors were terminated, nearly a full quarter of the faculty quit instead of signing and a letter of protest was signed by 700 of the nearly 1250 students (including the student body president) there.

There has been an outbreak of similar cases in recent years. In 2012 Cedarville University near Dayton Ohio^[2] dismissed Michael Pahl, widely viewed as an outstanding scholar, who wrote a book ("") that administrators viewed as contrary to creationist views in spite of the fact that he fully agrees with the literal six-day creation view and a historical Adam and Eve (and two of Dr. Pahl's colleagues in the Bible department used the book in question as a required text^[3]

Or to Nancey Murphy, an ordained minister in the Church of the Brethren and a Professor of Christian Philosophy at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California, where the "Father of Intelligent Design" Phillip Johnson is a trustee and appears to be trying to get her fired for daring to criticize his book "Darwin on Trial"?^[4]

Or even to prominent ID proponent William Dembski at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary when he wrote that a Christian can reconcile an old Earth creationist view with a literal reading of Adam and Eve and that Noah's Flood was likely a local event rather than global in nature^[5]

Actually none of this is anything new, whenever they get into power YECs have been purging or "Expelling" those who don't agree with them for years (they've just increased the pace).

Back in 1973 John C. Whitcomb (co-author with Henry Morris of "The Genesis Floodcited the email in a memo recommending her termination.

Many believe her firing is actually in retaliation for the role Comer played in 2003 in blocking an effort to purchase biology textbooks that supported intelligent design and that creationists wanted her removed prior to the next vote on the textbooks.








1. Named after anti-evolution crusader William Jennings Bryan, the prosecutor of the Scopes Trial of 1925 and long a hot bed for creationist thought

2.3.4.Washington Post5. Dembski was forced to recant after Southwestern Seminary president Paige Patterson (a YEC) informed him that he was facing dismissal.

To wit: in another area (political-economic) I have many contacts in the alt-media community that have had their YouTube videos deleted and their sites/accounts demonetized and/or terminated merely because they spoke TRUTHS (verifiable truths!) about the present Fascist regime in the USA. Comrade Stalin can't have the truth about himself being spread, you know.

But as I said, you appear to be totally clueless of these matters.

Jorge

So, Jorge. If Bergman is being censored by Amazon as you and he proclaim, can you please be so good as to explain why they then sell dozens upon dozens of YEC and ID books -- including some others by Bergman^[1]?






1 An example. And another. And yet another.

[Roy]

Clearly you haven't a clue of what you are speaking about. Censorship is rampant, almost at Russian KGB levels.

Clearly not, since Bergman is not eking out a precarious survival in some Arctic gulag. Nor has his image been removed from photographs.

[One Bad Pig]

1 An example. And another. And yet another.

Interesting bio he has there.

[rogue06]

Interesting bio he has there.

That was among the first three that I ran across although if I had simply clicked on his name where the author is identified it'll take you to his Amazon page and a list of his books that are available there. I counted 11 books (not counting 1 that's also available in kindle) with seven of them obviously dealing with evolution.

Amazon certainly sucks at censorship.

[One Bad Pig]

That was among the first three that I ran across although if I had simply clicked on his name where the author is identified it'll take you to his Amazon page and a list of his books that are available there. I counted 11 books (not counting 1 that's also available in kindle) with seven of them obviously dealing with evolution.

Amazon certainly sucks at censorship.

I don't know that I've ever seen such a transparent attempt to burnish one's credentials, even if bragging about selling 80,000 books is decidedly odd.

[Juvenal]

I don't know that I've ever seen such a transparent attempt to burnish one's credentials, even if bragging about selling 80,000 books is decidedly odd.

His PhD is real, which suggests an even more transparent attempt is readily available.

[One Bad Pig]

His PhD is real, which suggests an even more transparent attempt is readily available.

The PhD is merely one attempt at burnishing. Jerry goes into how many degrees he has, how many groups he's talked to, how many libraries have at least a chapter of something he's written.....

[Juvenal]

The PhD is merely one attempt at burnishing. Jerry goes into how many degrees he has, how many groups he's talked to, how many libraries have at least a chapter of something he's written.....

Even at losing, Jorge can't win.

[carpedm9587]

Clearly you haven't a clue of what you are speaking about. Censorship is rampant, almost at Russian KGB levels.

To wit: in another area (political-economic) I have many contacts in the alt-media community that have had their YouTube videos deleted and their sites/accounts demonetized and/or terminated merely because they spoke TRUTHS (verifiable truths!) about the present Fascist regime in the USA. Comrade Stalin can't have the truth about himself being spread, you know.

But as I said, you appear to be totally clueless of these matters.

Jorge

Apparently...