Do you defend Trump's infidelity?

[Mountain Man]

all I am saying is it looks to me like you two were just talking past each other.

Maybe guac thinks anyone who voted for Trump was deliberately voting for evil.

Maybe, but it sure sounded to me like he was promising God's judgement on those who voted for someone simply because he (guacamole) does not personally approve of the candidate. And I still have not seen so much as a single verse from him even though he claimed his point of view is supported by scripture. It reminds me of the song "Guilty by Association" by Steve Taylor:

So you need a new car?
Let your fingers take a walk
Through the business guide
For the 'Born Again' flock

You'll be keeping all your money
In the Kingdom now
And you'll only drink milk
From a Christian cow

Don't you go casting your bread
To keep the heathen well fed
Line Christian pockets instead
Avoid temptation, guilty by association

Turn the radio on
To a down-home drawl
Hear a Brylcream prophet
With a message for y'all

I have found a new utensil
In the devil's toolbox
And the heads are gonna roll
If Jesus rocks

It's a worldly design
God's music should be divine
Try buying records like mine
Avoid temptation, guilty by association

So you say, it's of the devil
And we've got no choice
Because you heard a revelation
From the, 'Still Small Voice', hey you

If the Bible doesn't back it
Then it seems quite clear
Perhaps it was the devil
Who whispered in your ear

It's a Telethon Tuesday
For 'The Gospel Club'
Send your money in now
Or they're gonna pull the plug

You just remember this fact
When they plead and beg
When the chicken squawks loudest
Gonna lay a big egg

You could be smelling a crook
You should be checking The Book
But you'd rather listen than look
The implication, guilty by association

[JimL]

Read the preceding 11 verses. Paul is talking about a very specific issue that was happening in the church, and verse 12 does not grant a blanket license for Christians to arbitrarily judge each other.

1 Corinthians Chapter 5 is about christians judging christians. Paul is saying it is not up to christians to judge outsiders, but it is up to them to judge each other. In the last verse he says, "god will judge those outside, purge the evil person from your midst." Not the outsider, but purge your fellow christian. In this particular case he begins by speaking of the immorality of the incestuous relationship between a man, one of the churrch members, and his mother, or stepmother.

[KingsGambit]

I have a question for any Christians who believe it was wrong for Christians to vote for Romney in 2012:

If you were an employer and it were legal to do so, would you refuse to hire Mormons?

I don't think it was wrong to vote for Romney in 2012 (I wanted Jon Huntsman to get the nomination), but your question deserves some qualification. Are we talking about hiring Mormons in a church position or just for a secular job?

That aside, I don't see any logical connection between concluding Christians shouldn't vote for Mormons and concluding that Christians shouldn't hire them.

[demi-conservative]

I have a question for any Christians who believe it was wrong for Christians to vote for Romney in 2012:

If you were an employer and it were legal to do so, would you refuse to hire Mormons?

Is heresy worse, or adultery?

[NorrinRadd]

I don't think it was wrong to vote for Romney in 2012 (I wanted Jon Huntsman to get the nomination), but your question deserves some qualification. Are we talking about hiring Mormons in a church position or just for a secular job?

Secular, whether private or government. Not a church position, or any other Christian ministry.

That aside, I don't see any logical connection between concluding Christians shouldn't vote for Mormons and concluding that Christians shouldn't hire them.

I view elected positions as employees of the voters.

[Cow Poke]

I view elected positions as employees of the voters.

Unfortunately, most politicians don't see themselves that way.

[carpedm9587]

Unfortunately, most politicians don't see themselves that way.

I wonder if that is actually a defensible POV...

[guacamole]

all I am saying is it looks to me like you two were just talking past each other.

Maybe guac thinks anyone who voted for Trump was deliberately voting for evil.

I've been fairly specific that the people facing God's specific judgement are leaders who put their stamp of approval on naked wickedness. I'm not sure how this wandered so far out of what I was talking about.

[guacamole]

when guac said "they will be judged" he wasn't talking about other Christians judging them either. He was talking about God judging them. We will all face God when we die and have to answer for what we did, good or bad even though we are saved.

To be fair, I did end up muddying the waters on that one, but you are correct.

[guacamole]

Maybe, but it sure sounded to me like he was promising God's judgement on those who voted for someone simply because he (guacamole) does not personally approve of the candidate. And I still have not seen so much as a single verse from him even though he claimed his point of view is supported by scripture. It reminds me of the song "Guilty by Association" by Steve Taylor:

So you need a new car?
Let your fingers take a walk
Through the business guide
For the 'Born Again' flock

You'll be keeping all your money
In the Kingdom now
And you'll only drink milk
From a Christian cow

Don't you go casting your bread
To keep the heathen well fed
Line Christian pockets instead
Avoid temptation, guilty by association

Turn the radio on
To a down-home drawl
Hear a Brylcream prophet
With a message for y'all

I have found a new utensil
In the devil's toolbox
And the heads are gonna roll
If Jesus rocks

It's a worldly design
God's music should be divine
Try buying records like mine
Avoid temptation, guilty by association

So you say, it's of the devil
And we've got no choice
Because you heard a revelation
From the, 'Still Small Voice', hey you

If the Bible doesn't back it
Then it seems quite clear
Perhaps it was the devil
Who whispered in your ear

It's a Telethon Tuesday
For 'The Gospel Club'
Send your money in now
Or they're gonna pull the plug

You just remember this fact
When they plead and beg
When the chicken squawks loudest
Gonna lay a big egg

You could be smelling a crook
You should be checking The Book
But you'd rather listen than look
The implication, guilty by association

Lol. Is seeing what I actually wrote about this that hard?

[guacamole]

I have a question for any Christians who believe it was wrong for Christians to vote for Romney in 2012:

If this is for me, then I don't think it was wrong for Christians to vote for Romney.

If you were an employer and it were legal to do so, would you refuse to hire Mormons?

No.

[Teallaura]

Sort of the difference between Libertarian and libertarian.

Exactly that, yeah.

[Teallaura]

...

No, libertarian still means socially liberal, fiscally conservative (well it technically means more about just wanting as little government as is reasonably possible but in practice that leads to socially liberal, fiscally conservative). The extremes to which they take those depends on the individual libertarians, with a few going as far as desiring anarchy, but it's the same basic definition.

It doesn't look like that at all, really. Even allowing for the kook factor, the party is pulling strongly to the left of that definition.

[Teallaura]

I have a question for any Christians who believe it was wrong for Christians to vote for Romney in 2012:

If you were an employer and it were legal to do so, would you refuse to hire Mormons?

Just one, but he knows why...

[Teallaura]

I wonder if that is actually a defensible POV...

It is - most people tend to think of their employer as the guy signing the check - not the customer paying for the service. Now, strictly speaking, it's not analogous - but it's an easy assumption for an individual to make that if they are government employees they are employed by the government without making the logical extension to the tax payer.

Speaking as a former government employee, it's also fairly common as a mindset. doesn't mean they don't care about the taxpayers necessarily - just that the taxpayer is not high on the 'list of people I am employed by'.