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Do you defend Trump's infidelity?
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My finger twitched as I was trying to use the touchpad, so I'm not sure how I voted! I *intended* to vote "No," I do not "condone" his infidelity.
But I don't think infidelities that occurred prior to his election are relevant to his Presidency. Any that might occur while in office may or may not be relevant on a case by case basis. (For instance, having hookers come in and pee on each other in the Oval Office, or worse, the power imbalance inherent in even "consensual" sex with, say, a young White House intern would be problematic at best.)
I also suspect he'd engage in shady business practices, which does not thrill me. I think his pal Cohen is a sleazy weasel, and the fact that Trump was delighted to have such a guy as his "fixer" has now come back to sink its teeth firmly into his hindparts.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
My finger twitched as I was trying to use the touchpad, so I'm not sure how I voted! I *intended* to vote "No," I do not "condone" his infidelity.
But I don't think infidelities that occurred prior to his election are relevant to his Presidency. Any that might occur while in office may or may not be relevant on a case by case basis. (For instance, having hookers come in and pee on each other in the Oval Office, or worse, the power imbalance inherent in even "consensual" sex with, say, a young White House intern would be problematic at best.)
I also suspect he'd engage in shady business practices, which does not thrill me. I think his pal Cohen is a sleazy weasel, and the fact that Trump was delighted to have such a guy as his "fixer" has now come back to sink its teeth firmly into his hindparts.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe rebuke was for the Bathsheba/Uriah incident, not for having a plurality of wives:
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’
Moreover, it’d be utterly brazen of David to continue to have sex with multiple different women for decades after he’d specifically been condemned in this verse for polygamy. The context is adultery and murder.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe rebuke was for the Bathsheba/Uriah incident, not for having a plurality of wives:
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’
Moreover, it’d be utterly brazen of David to continue to have sex with multiple different women for decades after he’d specifically been condemned in this verse for polygamy. The context is adultery and murder.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt appears that you've managed to misread MM here. MM is not alleging that he'd been specifically condemned in this verse for polygamy.
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Originally posted by whag View PostIn that case, it was a non sequitur. There’s no reason to chide me for not knowing the context was a rebuke of some sort. I know it was a rebuke, but the rebuke contains a difficult passage in no way indicating that a multiplicity of wives is evil. They’re described as a gift, just like the other items in the series.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou're right, it was brazen, and David paid the price with an extended family full of strife, jealousy, infighting, rape, and murder.
I have heard the argument that God was silent because he was trying to make a point, but that’s veering into eisegesis just to justify the silence. Maybe the simplest answer is the best: polygamy was more acceptable during biblical times than you are comfortable with.
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Originally posted by whag View Post...polygamy was more acceptable during biblical times than you are comfortable with.
You're also arguing from silence, implying that because the Bible doesn't record it, therefore David was never called out on it.Last edited by Mountain Man; 04-13-2018, 06:25 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe passage indicates that the adultery caused the violence (the sword) in his family. I think it’s very odd that David would continue to commit adultery after being specifically condemned in this case, which completely paralyzed David with grief and shame. It makes no sense unless polygamy was an acceptable act that David was comfortable arranging. He didn’t get any subsequent Nathan-like rebukes with each new adulterous incident. Was that just because he stopped murdering?
I have heard the argument that God was silent because he was trying to make a point, but that’s veering into eisegesis just to justify the silence. Maybe the simplest answer is the best: polygamy was more acceptable during biblical times than you are comfortable with.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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