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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    in fact, they were. Just like you. And just like you they were wrong and perished.
    They certainly did perish, and so did the Corinthian Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    They certainly did perish, and so did the Corinthian Christians.
    I guess you will find out when you perish, JimL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I guess you will find out when you perish, JimL.
    No I won't, and neither will you. We'll be dead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No I won't, and neither will you. We'll be dead!
    or not. I guess you are betting your soul on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    or not. I guess you are betting your soul on that.
    Nope, there is also no evidence of a soul, Sparko.

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    Okay. Here's something on Turn or Burn.

    Guessing I'm not missing much by having Jim on ignore.

    Link here of course.

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    What kind of choice is that? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    In my last post, I wrote about the claim that God is petty. I was told I did not say much about the turn and burn aspect often given. I thought I had, but just to make sure, let's address that. We're often told that God is often saying to His creation "Love me or burn!" Few of us would call that love.

    I don't think I need to say much on how few conservative scholars today think that passages about Hell being a fire and brimstone place need to be interpreted in a literalistic way. Hence, if I see someone speaking in this kind of language, I know I'm talking to someone who has not read the best material on the topic. Still, that doesn't mean it's all a cakewalk in Hell.

    Also, most don't think that all suffering in Hell is equal nor is all joy in Heaven equal. Everyone will ultimately get a treatment that is fair. No one will be able to legitimately say that they were wronged on the day of judgment.

    The problem with this choice is it's not really accurate. The person assumes in the argument that they have done nothing that deserves any sort of punishment whatsoever. Yet if God is real, then something has been done.

    I happen to think Romans 1 is accurate and it tells us that there's enough evidence in creation alone for us to know that God is real. This doesn't mean that there's evidence in creation alone that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who rose from the dead. You need history for that.

    Also, the more one knows about this God, the greater the culpability one has, but there is the question of how do we respond to this evidence. Do we turn and seek the one the evidence is pointing to or do we just ignore it and take light explanations and do what we want? The people in Romans 1 chose to deny that the creator was supreme and treated things that were created like they were the supreme.

    For we Christians, we should fear the judgment the most because we claim to know the most about God and have the greatest revelation of God making our sin all the worst. I have often compiled a list of attributes of God we deny when we sin. Let's go through it again.

    We deny His omnipotence when we deny He has the power to bring about judgment.
    We deny His omniscience when we say we know better than He does.
    We deny his love when we say He's holding out on what is good for us.
    We deny His omnipresence when we say He does not see what we do.
    We deny His authority when we say we have the right to rule over our lives.

    In essence, we are committing divine treason every time. This is a serious charge. Even if we don't have the revelation of Christ, everyone knows that we do not live the way we ought. We all have ways we need to improve. Interestingly, it's often the further we get on the path of virtue that we realize how far off we are on the path.

    If this is true, then the offer is not turn or burn. At least, it's not in the way presented. It's not, if you do not want to be with me, then you will burn. It's more just an offer to be come and be a part of the family of God.

    In the Old Testament, there's a story about Mephibosheth, who was the grandson of Saul and the son of Jonathan. In the ninth chapter of 2 Samuel we read about him. David wanted to show kindness to someone in Saul's family. He was not required to. It's not as if he was up for reelection and he wanted a good gesture to be done to win the favor of the people that the media would like. He did it just to show kindness.*

    Something interesting in this passage is three times you find a reference to eating at the King's table. This is a message of grace entirely. Mephibosheth did nothing to earn this. It was all a gift.*

    The offer is really great. Not only does God forgive us, when we have done nothing to deserve that forgiveness, but He makes us a part of His royal family and allows us to eat at His table and we're given all the rights of a son. It is a horrible misrepresentation from atheism and the exact opposite of the real scenario.*

    The problem presented is a false one. Of course, there are other issues and those could be dealt with. For now, turn or burn just doesn't work. Present instead the real offer of grace.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Nick, a very well stated rebuttal to turn or burn.
    3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures --1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (borrowed with gratitude from 37818's sig)

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    Speaking of burning, would anyone like to have some cooked mutton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    Speaking of burning, would anyone like to have some cooked mutton?
    I kind of figured you for a lamb chops guy.
    Safka, you are NOT "unknown", you were loved by many, and you will not be forgotten. I will always remember you Puginator.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Nope, there is also no evidence of a soul, Sparko.
    Nope, there is also no evidence of a person, . . .
    Yeah, I know, animals have souls too and are not considered persons. The soul-spirit is the non-physical aspect of animals, being body and a soul the non-physical. Rocks do not have souls.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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