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  • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    He said "as is". He wasn't equating the two.
    You are correct, thank you.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      It's generally acknowledged as the same story as is Noah's Flood which is based upon the earlier Sumerian Gilgamesh Epic
      And the Sumerian creation story says what?
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
        Source: https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-Vedas-say-about-the-origin-of-the-universe



        What do the Vedas say about the origin of the universe?

        Kiron Krishnan, A comparative religion researcher

        Answered Dec 17 2015 <snip>

        Neither did non existence exist, nor did existence exist then; <snip>

        The Veda hypothesizes that neither non existence nor existence existed in the beginning.<snip>

        © Copyright Original Source

        Utter nonsense. There was never non-existence.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          And the Sumerian creation story says what?
          What is says is secondary to what it intends. Most scholars say that Genesis creation narratives have so many affinities with ancient mythology, particularly the Mesopotamian creation myths, that it is invalid to speak of its narratives as literally true in any sense. They are myth-based theological arguments, not to be taken literally at all.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            Utter nonsense. There was never non-existence.
            Than by your conclusion above there never was creation 'ex nihilo.'
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              And the Sumerian creation story says what?
              It tells of the gods, creators of the earth and the people and animals of the earth, of the great flood, the ark, the end of the flood and the disembarking of the animals from the ark, the sun god who then appeared on the ark and sacrificed animals, saved them all, and who was then sent to Dilmun to live eternal life. Sound familiar at all?

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              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                It tells of the gods, creators of the earth and the people and animals of the earth, of the great flood, the ark, the end of the flood and the disembarking of the animals from the ark, the sun god who then appeared on the ark and sacrificed animals, saved them all, and who was then sent to Dilmun to live eternal life. Sound familiar at all?
                And where is the ex nihilo creation in that? And by gods?
                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                  Than by your conclusion above there never was creation 'ex nihilo.'
                  Two things you do not comprehend. That nothingness never exists. And ex nihilo creation is a creation not made from anything pre-existing.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    What is says is secondary to what it intends. Most scholars say that Genesis creation narratives have so many affinities with ancient mythology, particularly the Mesopotamian creation myths, that it is invalid to speak of its narratives as literally true in any sense. They are myth-based theological arguments, not to be taken literally at all.
                    It is not how they are similar, but how they are different.
                    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                    • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      It is not how they are similar, but how they are different.
                      Nevertheless, the Mesopotamian creation myths and the later Genesis ones, which borrowed from the former, cannot be deemed literally true in any sense. They are theological arguments not explanations of how the universe began in a scientific sense.
                      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        Two things you do not comprehend. That nothingness never exists.
                        As far as the knowledge of science goes the philosophical absolute nothingness does not exist nor never existed.


                        And ex nihilo creation is a creation not made from anything pre-existing.
                        This is a theological/philosophical claim, and not based on the evidence.
                        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                        go with the flow the river knows . . .

                        Frank

                        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                        • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                          And where is the ex nihilo creation in that? And by gods?
                          The bible, specifically genesis, is not an exact copy of the creation myths, like evrything else, myths evolve. The Great Flood, the Ark, the sacrifice, the savior and eternal life of the Sumerian myth was brought up to show you how the myth was picked up by the authors of, and incorporated by them, into the genesis text. It seems even you don't believe the world was created ex nihilo, and if that's correct, then you don't believe in the biblical god either.

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            The bible, specifically genesis, is not an exact copy of the creation myths, like evrything else, myths evolve. The Great Flood, the Ark, the sacrifice, the savior and eternal life of the Sumerian myth was brought up to show you how the myth was picked up by the authors of, and incorporated by them, into the genesis text. It seems even you don't believe the world was created ex nihilo, and if that's correct, then you don't believe in the biblical god either.
                            Wow...
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              As far as the knowledge of science goes the philosophical absolute nothingness does not exist nor never existed.



                              This is a theological/philosophical claim, and not based on the evidence.
                              All the "evidence" can do is kick the can further back in time.
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                All the "evidence" can do is kick the can further back in time.
                                . . . kicking it back in time does not result in any definitive evidence that our physical existence has a beginning. It remains an unresolved question, and there will most likely never be an answer from science.
                                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                                Frank

                                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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