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  • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
    Why should I believe that the authors of the Hebrew myths intended to oppose the earlier myths?
    In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

    https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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    • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

      https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
      So what? Greenblatt believes that the biblical story is a myth fashioned by borrowing from the babylonian creation myths. You are arguing against yourself.

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      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

        https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
        So, Stephen Greenblatt says so. Why should I believe him?

        Also, I'm pretty sure that Greenblatt would also say, if you asked him, that the Genesis narratives are not historically factual. Would you encourage me to believe him then?

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        • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenbelt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

          https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
          No he doesn't...and it's Greenblatt, BTW, not Greenbelt. The Genesis creation narratives were simply a retelling of the far more ancient Mesopotamian creation myths by the Hebrews, who then adopted them as their own adding their own theological variations. In short, it is a composite story made up of various strands from a variety of sources. There's nothing particularly original about them.

          https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/...-eve-reviewed/
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

            https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
            You misunderstand Greenblatt, and what his whole book describes. Yes, to a certain extent he considers Genesis Creation and Flood narratives were written in contradiction to the Babylonian narratives, but nonetheless he considers the Hebrew narratives as mythology fashioned and borrowed along the same lines as other cultural mythology that evolved in the different tribes and cultures.
            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

            go with the flow the river knows . . .

            Frank

            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              You misunderstand Greenblatt, and what his whole book describes. Yes, to a certain extent he considers Genesis Creation and Flood narratives were written in contradiction to the Babylonian narratives, but nonetheless he considers the Hebrew narratives as mythology fashioned and borrowed along the same lines as other cultural mythology that evolved in the different tribes and cultures.
              My point was made.
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                No he doesn't...and it's Greenblatt, BTW, not Greenbelt. The Genesis creation narratives were simply a retelling of the far more ancient Mesopotamian creation myths by the Hebrews, who then adopted them as their own adding their own theological variations. In short, it is a composite story made up of various strands from a variety of sources. There's nothing particularly original about them.

                https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/...-eve-reviewed/
                Yes, I miss typed his name.
                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  My point was made.
                  . . . but meaningless considering the context and over the top fallacy
                  Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                  Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                  But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                  go with the flow the river knows . . .

                  Frank

                  I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                  • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    . . . but meaningless considering the context and over the top fallacy
                    What was the fallacy? Show it.
                    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                    • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                      So, Stephen Greenblatt says so. Why should I believe him?

                      Also, I'm pretty sure that Greenblatt would also say, if you asked him, that the Genesis narratives are not historically factual. Would you encourage me to believe him then?
                      The point was that the Genesis narrative was written to present the Hebrew view over against those non-Hebrew myths.
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        What was the fallacy? Show it.
                        As far as your citation of Greenblatt goes it is the fallacy of 'cherry picking' to justify your agenda. Making your point neglected what Greenblatt proposes.
                        Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-18-2018, 02:58 PM.
                        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                        go with the flow the river knows . . .

                        Frank

                        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          No he doesn't...and it's Greenblatt, BTW, not Greenbelt. The Genesis creation narratives were simply a retelling of the far more ancient Mesopotamian creation myths by the Hebrews, who then adopted them as their own adding their own theological variations. In short, it is a composite story made up of various strands from a variety of sources. There's nothing particularly original about them.

                          https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/...-eve-reviewed/
                          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                          In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."

                          https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Adam-Eve/dp/0393240800
                          Huh. It would seem that I did not miss type the name after all.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            The point was that the Genesis narrative was written to present the Hebrew view over against those non-Hebrew myths.
                            Not quite. The Genesis narratives were written to present the Hebrew view by the Hebrews adopting existing legends and myths as their own and modifying them. .

                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            Huh. It would seem that I did not miss type the name after all.
                            Well yes you did. It's Stephen Greenblatt, not Greenbelt as you miss-typed...not that it's a big deal.
                            Last edited by Tassman; 07-18-2018, 08:42 PM.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              Not quite. The Genesis narratives were written to present the Hebrew view by the Hebrews adopting existing legends and myths as their own and modifying them.
                              At the very least the Hebrews made their teachings and beliefs known in how they were different.


                              Well yes you did. It's Stephen Greenblatt, not Greenbelt as you miss-typed...not that it's a big deal.
                              Well the unedited quote from my post did not have it miss spelled as you cited it differently.
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              In a New York book review about the myths and the Hebrew writings, "Greenblatt writes that the Genesis narratives of the Creation and Flood were written in contradistinction to the Babylonian narratives they resemble, to assert and preserve Hebrew religious culture."
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                                At the very least the Hebrews made their teachings and beliefs known in how they were different.
                                Well it's part of the evolution of monotheism from polytheism, that's about it. No indication that it might be true in any way.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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