Nobody Dies for a Lie

[37818]

But it is illogical though. The deity cannot be logically 'one' and yet consist of three persons, unless he suffers from a 'multiple personality disorder'. The same applies to the absurd Christology of the Hypostatic Union, i.e. Jesus being fully god and fully man at one and the same time.

Take a closer look. John presents the preincarnate the Word [Logos] as being both "with" and "was" (John 1:1-2). With the emphasis on being "with."

[JimL]

you didn't. you just kept saying it was.

No, actually that's exactly what you do, Sparko. You say "the bible says it's so, the theologians say it's so, therefore it must be so. That's not a defense of the logic of the Trinity. You admit you don't understand it, but you fail to recognize that the reason you don't understand it is because it is illogical nonsense even though it may be supported by the bible and your favorite theologians.

[JimL]

Actually, you just called a dog's tail a leg, and claimed you had a five legged dog.

You obviously have reading comprehension problems. I'll call it selective cognition!

[JimL]

Take a closer look. John presents the preincarnate the Word [Logos] as being both "with" and "was" (John 1:1-2). With the emphasis on being "with."

We get it 37818, you believe the biblical assertions.

[JimL]

jim,

What do you understand is the difference between being a person and being a god?

Well, apparently god has 3 minds, each of which belong to different persons who are all the same person which we call god, while a person has only 1 mind belonging to 1 person.

[Sparko]

No, actually that's exactly what you do, Sparko. You say "the bible says it's so, the theologians say it's so, therefore it must be so. That's not a defense of the logic of the Trinity. You admit you don't understand it, but you fail to recognize that the reason you don't understand it is because it is illogical nonsense even though it may be supported by the bible and your favorite theologians.

Again, what we are arguing is what the bible says God is. So yeah saying, "The bible says so" is WHY we believe God is a Trinity. If you want to prove that the CONCEPT of God being a Trinity is illogical, then it is up to you do do so. So far all you do is say it is illogical without proving how it is illogical. I am still waiting

[37818]

We get it 37818, you believe the biblical assertions.

No. History. Besides being the word of God as given to men.

Well, apparently god has 3 minds, each of which belong to different persons who are all the same person which we call god, while a person has only 1 mind belonging to 1 person.

No. They are not the same person according to the accounts. Mark 13:32. John 8:16-18.
Sparko is still waiting on you.

[JonathanL]

Well, apparently god has 3 minds, each of which belong to different persons who are all the same person which we call god, while a person has only 1 mind belonging to 1 person.

I mean, I know it must be confusing since when we usually speak about God we're simply talking about the Father, and in that case God is used as a proper noun/name.

But when we describe the Trinity/Godhead we're not using God as proper noun, but as a description of the three persons' nature. So we're not saying that there is 1 person (God) who is simultaneously 3 persons (Father, Son, Spirit), but rather that there are 3 Divine Persons (F,S,S) who are united in essence.

[Tassman]

Well, apparently god has 3 minds, each of which belong to different persons who are all the same person which we call god, while a person has only 1 mind belonging to 1 person.

That's about it.

[Cow Poke]

You obviously have reading comprehension problems. I'll call it selective cognition!

You can call it anything you want, but you have a horrible track record of ever being correct.

[JimL]

Again, what we are arguing is what the bible says God is. So yeah saying, "The bible says so" is WHY we believe God is a Trinity. If you want to prove that the CONCEPT of God being a Trinity is illogical, then it is up to you do do so. So far all you do is say it is illogical without proving how it is illogical. I am still waiting

No, perhaps that's what you decided to argue about, but that is not what we were arguing about,. What we were arguing about was the logicalness of the very idea of the trinity. The idea of the trinity is illogical prima facie, Sparko. I shouldn't have to point out the obvious to you, and in truth I don't have to point that out to you because you already implied in your own essay that the concept of the trinity is illogical, that you can't understand it logically, but then you go on to say "but I can find support for it in the bible, and it's what theologians teach, therefore, like the bible itself, it must needs be true.

[JimL]

I mean, I know it must be confusing since when we usually speak about God we're simply talking about the Father, and in that case God is used as a proper noun/name.

But when we describe the Trinity/Godhead we're not using God as proper noun, but as a description of the three persons' nature. So we're not saying that there is 1 person (God) who is simultaneously 3 persons (Father, Son, Spirit), but rather that there are 3 Divine Persons (F,S,S) who are united in essence.

Semantics, word games, don't help Chrawnus. The above, no offense, is simply philosophical mumbo jumbo. One, whether you call it essense or god or whatever, is one, not three. It's like saying that you have 3 separate minds that are all the same mind! Mumbo Jumbo!

[37818]

Semantics, word games, don't help Chrawnus. The above, no offense, is simply philosophical mumbo jumbo. One, whether you call it essense or god or whatever, is one, not three. It's like saying that you have 3 separate minds that are all the same mind! Mumbo Jumbo!

Jim, 3 minds being in full agreement does not require them to be one and the same mind.

You claim there is mumbo jumbo and contradictions, but merely making unsupported claims does not make it so. You need to make a rational argument against what you disagree with, that is explain why it does not make sense. If you do not agree with a definition or an idea, merely labeling it an assertion disproves nothing, it would help all in concern to break it down and give sound reasons for your objections, one point at a time. Maybe I am expecting too much.

[Sparko]

Well, apparently god has 3 minds, each of which belong to different persons who are all the same person which we call god, while a person has only 1 mind belonging to 1 person.

Oh gee, we can play that game too...

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[JonathanL]

Semantics, word games, don't help Chrawnus. The above, no offense, is simply philosophical mumbo jumbo. One, whether you call it essense or god or whatever, is one, not three. It's like saying that you have 3 separate minds that are all the same mind! Mumbo Jumbo!

Calling it "semantics", "word games" and "philosophical mumbo jumbo" won't make it go away. There's a difference between the actual teaching of the Trinity and your pathetic attempt to caricaturize it, even if you're too dense, or simply unwilling, to see it.