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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSo the ancient Hebrews did not worship an invisible deity whose Hebrew Name means the "Existent?"
So are you saying a metaphysical hypotheses being made in the name of physical science is therefore no longer metaphysical?Last edited by Tassman; 06-18-2018, 12:35 AM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostModels are not the evidence. There is only evidence for a finite and temporal universe.
Metaphysical theories which make models are still metaphysical.Last edited by Tassman; 06-18-2018, 12:36 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAgain . . . None of the physicists and Cosmologists propose that the beginning of our universe is a finite beginning.
What are your qualifications to make these assertions based on a religious agenda.Last edited by 37818; 06-18-2018, 07:58 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat preceded the existing "finite and temporal universe" is not known, because before the first 10-44 seconds of the Universe (i.e. the so-called Planck Epoch), the laws of physics as we know them break down. This is not to say that there was nothing, in fact there's mathematical evidence that there was something.
There are no discoveries to be made which are not open to the methods of science, yet accessible from pure academic reasoning.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat are the specific assertions you are referring to? Do I need some kind of qualifications to ask what the evidence might be?
What are your qualifications to [understand the evidence] and make these assertions based on a religious agenda.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAh, mathematical evidence. Information and intelligence.
Again, you are not in a position to claim that the universe had an absolute beginning ex nihilo because we cannot know, at this stage, what happened during the Planck Epoch when the laws of physics as we know them break down.
What are the methods of science that deal with metaphysical?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhatever that means!
Again, you are not in a position to claim that the universe had an absolute beginning ex nihilo because we cannot know, at this stage, what happened during the Planck Epoch when the laws of physics as we know them break down.
Science does not deal with the metaphysical; this is the role of philosophy.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe assertion that there is evidence for a finite temporal universe.
What are your qualifications to [understand the evidence] and make these assertions based on a religious agenda.
I may not have the qualifications you think I need.
I am not the only person who is going to read alleged evidence posted here.
I do know what is infinite and eternal cannot be measured.
[BTW, what is the mass of an electron on an event horizon?]. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI may not have the qualifications you think I need.
I am not the only person who is going to read alleged evidence posted here.
I do know what is infinite and eternal cannot be measured.
[BTW, what is the mass of an electron on an event horizon?]
Your sarcasm and religious agenda predispose you to reject the conclusions of Physicists and Cosmologists far more qualified than either conclusion.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostTwo issues here. One, to believe God, ex nililo (Genesis 1:1).
And secondly, mathematical theory which breaks down with division by zero in the equations used. Like in 1/sqr(1 - 2GM/(rc2)) and the like.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDo NOT change the subject. There is no evidence for a finite temporal universe. At present it is an unanswered question whether our physical existence is temporal and finite, or infinite and eternal. There is no evidence that determines or could falsify a hypothesis for either.
Your sarcasm and religious agenda predispose you to reject the conclusions of Physicists and Cosmologists far more qualified than either conclusion.
Two facts about the universe if its perceived expansion is ran backwards. Its finite size and finite time.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhy would one believe man-made myths deriving from the Bronze Age in lieu of scientific evidence?
How is this in any way a response to the FACT that we are not in a position to claim that the universe had an absolute beginning ex nihilo at this stage, because we do not know what happened during the Planck Epoch when the laws of physics break down. It remains an open question.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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