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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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The three leaf leaf of the clover. It is one leaf with three leaves, yet it is a single leaf. Leaves are not persons nor is a leaf God. Leaves are one kind of thing. Persons and deity are two kinds of things. Three distinct persons who happen to be the one and the same God is not even any kind of contradiction.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe three leaf leaf of the clover. It is one leaf with three leaves, yet it is a single leaf. Leaves are not persons nor is a leaf God. Leaves are one kind of thing. Persons and deity are two kinds of things. Three distinct persons who happen to be the one and the same God is not even any kind of contradiction.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBad analogy, because each leaf in a clover can not be said to be the whole clover but only a single part. Littlejoe's treaty analogy is much better: three separate and distinct documents that share the same essence.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostBecause the "three" and the "one" do not refer to identical concepts: three persons but one God. The only way this causes problems is when people are incapable of grasping (or are unwilling to grasp) the distinction. Debating the fine points with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, Tassman. It's not so much "avoiding" as recognizing that you're simply not going to grok what we're saying.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think he's being purposely and aggressively obtuse on this.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBad analogy, because each leaf in a clover can not be said to be the whole clover but only a single part. Littlejoe's treaty analogy is much better: three separate and distinct documents that share the same essence.Last edited by 37818; 05-16-2018, 02:20 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo "unique" that it amounts to a contradiction.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNothing "stubborn" or "obtuse" about it! It's a contradiction.
No, it's really not. As has been explained to you ad nauseum, you're perverting the doctrine. You're falsely forcing it to be a comparison of 'three items' to exactly the same 'one of those items'. That's not the Trinity.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow bout throwing in a few more exclamation points for good measure?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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