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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd James was not an original eyewitnesses?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAn excellent question, which you didn't provide an answer for. What does Luke say about him?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd James was not an original eyewitnesses?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWhich doesn't tell us whether James was an original eyewitness, but does tell us that seer is a dishonest gutless schmuck.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAh I have found your "sources" Carp.
1. Your link to life expectancy us someone's blog. That is like me quoting Mountain Man as a source and expecting you to believe it.
As you wish...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostUnless you don't believe that Christ's brother was an eyewitness."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe gospels imply that Jesus's family were almost completely absent from his ministry. IIRC the popular later idea was that James was like Paul - initially against Jesus and converted by a resurrection appearance. So James wouldn't have been an eyewitness to much of Jesus' ministry or even death.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostLife expectancy from the age of the bible to the 1700s didn't change all that much: 35-40 years.
For example, I looked at the average lifespan of Benjamin Franklin and his 14 siblings (the source you cite claims lifespans were fairly stagnant until the 19th and 20th centuries so this was before they rose). Their average lifespan was a rather low 36 years. However, four of them didn't even make it to the age of 6. If we don't count those, then their average lifespan is increased to 49, with the earliest death being at the age of 35, the proposed average. In fact, two of them (including Benjamin) lived to be over 80! This showcases the effect that infant deaths can have in skewing lifespan averages and how they must be removed in order to find out how long the typical adult would live to be.
As long as I'm on the subject of founding fathers, an amusing note: John Adams, the second president, lived to be 90 years old. Want to know how long it took for that title of "oldest-living president" to be taken away from him? (note I am referring to how long they lived period, not their age when assuming the presidency) It was nearly two centuries later, with Gerald Ford, though Herbert Hoover admittedly did come close. Sure, John Adams was obviously a particularly long-lived individual for his time period. But it certainly shows how even during time periods when the average lifespan was around 35-40, people could outlive the majority of people in today's world, to the point it took nearly two centuries to elect someone who ended up living a longer life.
There are several sources that attest to this.Last edited by Terraceth; 04-21-2018, 12:14 AM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe gospels imply that Jesus's family were almost completely absent from his ministry. IIRC the popular later idea was that James was like Paul - initially against Jesus and converted by a resurrection appearance. So James wouldn't have been an eyewitness to much of Jesus' ministry or even death.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSince I have a PhD in a science field I would estimate that it is probable that I am smarter than even the greatest historical Christian thinkers and probably by a significant margin.My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSince I have a PhD in a science field I would estimate that it is probable that I am smarter than even the greatest historical Christian thinkers and probably by a significant margin.
Or John Polkinghorne the theoretical physicist, theologian and Anglican priest?
Or Michael J. Reiss, Professor of Science Education at the Institute of Education, University of London, where he is Assistant Director, Research and Development, President of the International Society for Science and Religion and the International Association for Science and Religion in Schools, Visiting Professor at the Universities of Leeds and York, and an Anglican priest?
Or Richard Swinburne, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the University of Oxford and one of the most influential English philosophers of religion of the 20th century?
If that doesn't suffice I can add a couple dozen more names including a couple of Nobel laureates (Physics) if need be.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe gospels imply that Jesus's family were almost completely absent from his ministry. IIRC the popular later idea was that James was like Paul - initially against Jesus and converted by a resurrection appearance. So James wouldn't have been an eyewitness to much of Jesus' ministry or even death.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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