San Francisco, Leftist Utopia?

[seer]

Where liberal policies naturally lead?

Clean up San Francisco’s streets, tourist industry pleads

Sure, San Francisco has great facets worthy of postcards and travel books, but it also has a worsening underbelly that D’Alessandro says he can no longer gloss over.

People injecting themselves with drugs in broad daylight, their dirty needles and other garbage strewn on the sidewalks. Tent camps. Human feces. The threatening behavior of some people who appear either mentally ill or high. Petty theft.

“The streets are filthy. There’s trash everywhere. It’s disgusting,” D’Alessandro said, adding he’s traveled the world, and San Francisco stands out for the wrong reasons. “I’ve never seen any other city like this — the homelessness, dirty streets, drug use on the streets, smash-and-grabs.

“How can it be?” he continued. “How can it have gotten to this point?”

Remember, this is the man whose job is to glorify San Francisco, which tells you something about how far the city has sunk.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/art...t-12839281.php

[Faber]

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

[Mountain Man]

Liberals will get it right one of these days. You just gotta cut them some slack.

[seer]

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

Was was there for a visit in 71, the city was beautiful and clean. Except for the hippies, but they were pretty much localized in the Haight Ashbury area.

[seer]

Liberals will get it right one of these days. You just gotta cut them some slack.

While they ruin the country for the rest of us!

[One Bad Pig]

Where liberal policies naturally lead?

You appear to be taking the worst example you see, and painting a broad brush with it.

You can do better than that.

[whag]

Where liberal policies naturally lead?

Yup. Let’s just kill them, instead, right? What do you propose to do for the homeless? That’s not a rhetorical, BTW. Please tell me.

Actually, liberal and conservatives don’t know what to do, though conservatives aren’t any better for not proposing any ideas on how to curtail the homeless and mental illness problem.

Donald Trump is the worst offender because he claims to be an innovative and compassionate rogue, but completely ignores these human beings as having value. He could take these people and train them to manufacture goods, create low income wages for them, and house them. What’s to prevent us from creating a U.S. Shenzhen with the forgotten citizens? Nothing except for laziness and inability to innovate a solution.

Trump’s solution for competing with China is non-existent, exactly like his predecessor.

[seer]

You appear to be taking the worst example you see, and painting a broad brush with it.

You can do better than that.

How many of the worst cities in the US are run by liberals? Chicago? Oakland? Baltimore? Detroit? St. Louis?

[rogue06]

How many of the worst cities in the US are run by liberals? Chicago? Oakland? Baltimore? Detroit? St. Louis?

Then again, how many large cities are there that are controlled by conservatives? IOW, both the best run and worse run large cities in the U.S. are run by the left because all the large cities are run by them.

[seer]

Yup. Let’s just kill them, instead, right? What do you propose to do for the homeless? That’s not a rhetorical, BTW. Please tell me.

Since most of these people are addicted to one thing or another, the first thing you do is commit them to mandatory treatment, for a full year. This is an area I have a lot of experience in and if they are not court ordered and if they are not in locked units they will leave. Next start enforcing vagrancy and public nuance laws. There were something like 31,000 car break ins in San Fransisco in 2017 (smash and grab) with only a 2% arrest rate. Laws must be enforced or you will have what you have - lawlessness.

Donald Trump is the worst offender because he claims to be an innovative and compassionate rogue, but completely ignores these human beings as having value. He could take these people and train them to manufacture goods, create low income wages for them, and house them. What’s to prevent us from creating a U.S. Shenzhen with the forgotten citizens? Nothing except for laziness and inability to innovate a solution.

Are you really this clueless? We have the lowest unemployment in years. The jobs are there - you assume that they want to work. Never mind the fact that California has some of the most liberal social services in the US. They aren't doing much good.

[Teallaura]

Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

This was the first thing that popped into my head, too - SF had the same issues during the hippie movement.

[Tassman]

Yup. Let’s just kill them, instead, right? What do you propose to do for the homeless? That’s not a rhetorical, BTW. Please tell me.

Sadly, seer is a natural hater of anything or anyone who does not conform to his values.

Actually, liberal and conservatives don’t know what to do, though conservatives aren’t any better for not proposing any ideas on how to curtail the homeless and mental illness problem.

More generous targeted social services and benefits is the way to go, like most of the other developed countries.

Donald Trump is the worst offender because he claims to be an innovative and compassionate rogue, but completely ignores these human beings as having value. He could take these people and train them to manufacture goods, create low income wages for them, and house them. What’s to prevent us from creating a U.S. Shenzhen with the forgotten citizens? Nothing except for laziness and inability to innovate a solution.

Trump’s solution for competing with China is non-existent, exactly like his predecessor.

Trump pretends to help the poor. His only real interest seems to be helping the rich...himself foremost.

[rogue06]

This was the first thing that popped into my head, too - SF had the same issues during the hippie movement.

As previously noted, back then it was pretty much restricted to a small area around the Haight-Ashbury district. Now it is much more city-wide.

[Starlight]

Where liberal policies naturally lead?

If you wanted to know that, you could look at the world's most liberal/progressive countries such as Scandinavia, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Canada. Those turn out to be all in the top-10 happiest countries in the world. What a surprise, it turns out that progressive evidence-based policies work.

How many of the worst cities in the US are run by liberals? Chicago? Oakland? Baltimore? Detroit? St. Louis?

I would have thought that in general the state laws would tend to have more impact than the city council per se. I would think that pretty close to all dense urban areas in the US have Dem mayors as urban voters tend democratic, so liberals would run both the best and worst cities and all the ones in between. More interesting would be to see how bad cities in red states versus blue states are.

Googling for a top 10 list of US cities by violent crime gives me:
1. Detroit, Michigan (Redish leaning state)
2. St Louis, Missouri (Red)
3. Oakland, California (Blue)
4. Memphis, Tennessee (Red)
5. Birmingham, Alabama (Red)
6. Atlanta, Georgia (Red)
7. Baltimore, Maryland (Blue leaning)
8. Stockton, California (Blue)
9. Cleveland, Ohio (Red leaning)
10. Buffalo, New York (Blue)

So that's Red 6, Blue 4, which isn't a statistically significant difference. So your suggestion that all the worst cities are that way due to liberal policies, doesn't appear to stand up to this cursory sanity-check.

[seer]

So that's Red 6, Blue 4, which isn't a statistically significant difference. So your suggestion that all the worst cities are that way due to liberal policies, doesn't appear to stand up to this cursory sanity-check.

All those cities in red states Star - are they run by Democrats or Republicans?