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Originally posted by whag View PostWho are you to determine what the two black men should get for being humiliated and told to leave the establishment? It’ll probably result in a lawsuit, not a free Starbucks gift card, and all because the manager was stupid enough to not realize how inflammatory calling the cops was. Leave it to you to undermine the seriousness of that.
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I thought the OP was referring to the announcement that Starbucks will be closing 8000 stores on May 29 for "racial bias training".
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...bias-training/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI thought the OP was referring to the announcement that Starbucks will be closing 8000 stores on May 29 for "racial bias training".
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...bias-training/
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you just stupid whag? If you want to know what the irony was, it was that this progressive, better than thou liberal company, screwed up so bad. I actually hope that every black person in the US goes in and demands free coffee.
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Go in and tell them that you identify as black and demand your Reparations Coffee. If they question you scream "How Dare You Assume My Race!"
When insanity rules the day then use their own madness against them
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGo in and tell them that you identify as black and demand your Reparations Coffee. If they question you scream "How Dare You Assume My Race!"
When insanity rules the day then use their own madness against themSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt actually wouldn't be the first time a white person identified as black. Heck, the founder of Black Lives Matter was white (both of his biological parents were white), but he still insisted he was black, although he did try to claim that his real father was an unnamed black man that his mother once had an affair with. Classy move, that, throwing your own mother under the bus.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostStarbucks' Reparations...
The government here's been forking out a billion dollars over the last 30 years in reparations, and the colonists here treated the existing peoples relatively nicely (compared to other colonized countries) and we never had slavery. Wait until someone calculates for you the reparations bill due to you for genocide of the natives, stealing all their land, kidnapping black people from Africa as slaves, slavery, the KKK's terrorism, Jim Crow apartheid/segregation, etc. You'll wish it only amounted to free coffee for life for all black and native american peoples."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by SLwe never had slavery.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...ic-slave-trade
Dr Hamilton says the idea that New Zealand was involved in the slave trade conflicts with our image of ourselves.
He told Sunday Morning that in the 1870s, Pacific Island slaves worked in New Zealand flax mills and on the estates of some our wealthiest citizens.
“We think of ourselves as the good guys and it’s the Australians and the Americans that had slavery, ‘we didn’t do any of that’.
“But as I’ve discovered, we did. And it’s a dark piece of our history but I think it is worth remembering.”
Warning: There is use of the "n" word in the following link:
https://readingthemaps.blogspot.ca/2...g-history.html
THE MAP SAYS THE ROAD ENDS THERE. NOT TRUE.
Saturday, June 18, 2011
New Zealand's slaving history
[This post is a sort of successor to my discussion of the white headhunters of the 1860s and '70s...]
Murray Deaker’s recent use of the phrase ‘working like a nigger’ on Sky Television won him many detractors and a few defenders. The Race Relations Conciliator and a slew of media commentators have damned Deaker for using the phrase; Michael Laws and a few other inveterate opponents of the nebulous but sinister phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ have presented the sports show host as a sort of martyr to homespun plainspeak.
It is interesting how both critics and defenders of Deaker have assumed that the phrase 'working like a nigger' is drawn from a context very foreign to New Zealand. They have associated the phrase with slavery in America, and have either insinuated or openly assert that slavery is something quite alien to New Zealand history. Deaker's critics charge him with importing an unsavoury saying that could damage race relations in this part of the world; Deaker's defenders ask why we should be offended by a phrase with no real relation to our society.
The fact is, though, that many New Zealanders were engaged in a Pacific slave trade years after the abolition of slavery in the United States. In the 1860s and 1870s, at least thirty-two New Zealand vessels carried slave labour from various Pacific islands to plantations and farms in places like Fiji, Queensland, Samoa, and Tahiti. New Zealand's involvement in slavery eventually prompted mass public protest meetings in our major towns and cities and legislation from our House of Representatives. Yet the memory of the Pacific slave trade and New Zealand's involvement with it has been almost erased from our national consciousness.
Even in the 1860s and '70s, when it was impossible to ignore slaving in the Pacific, Kiwis took a curiously schizophrenic attitude towards the trade, condemning it and simultaneously denying the seriousness of their nation's involvement with it. To understand this attitude we have to understand the ideology which white settlers brought to this country in the middle decades of the nineteenth century.Last edited by mossrose; 04-20-2018, 08:49 AM.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostReally.
It was never legal. Really.
Do criminals sometimes disobey laws though? Sure.
Does one historical researcher allege that some NZ citizens were doing slave trading in other countries? Sure. Some people do bad things in other countries. Police here can't really stop that.
Are there some concerns today around illegal immigrants coming into NZ and being forced to work in sub-standard conditions, for sub-minimum wages? Sure. It's illegal.
But slavery was never legal here. Period. Sorry if that's too hard a concept for you to understand."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSlavery was never legal in New Zealand. The pre-colonial peoples practiced slavery and it was quickly stamped out by the European settlers.
It was never legal. Really.
Do criminals sometimes disobey laws though? Sure.
Does one historical researcher allege that some NZ citizens were doing slave trading in other countries? Sure. Some people do bad things in other countries. Police here can't really stop that.
Are there some concerns today around illegal immigrants coming into NZ and being forced to work in sub-standard conditions, for sub-minimum wages? Sure. It's illegal.
But slavery was never legal here. Period. Sorry if that's too hard a concept for you to understand.
Sorry if that's too hard a concept for you to understand.
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I was talking about reparations from the government. That's only relevant where the government has done wrong.
Also if your definition of a country having had slavery is that even once at some point in the country's history some private citizen illegally forced someone else to work against their will or for below-minimum wage, then all countries have had slavery, and your definition is useless. The relevant distinctions are IMO, whether slavery was legal, and the extent to which it was a practiced and widespread institution. Neither of which things have ever been the case in NZ, unlike the US which was the comparison."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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