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    Very interesting take by Fusion GPS on Trump's situation: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/2...col-top-region

    It is going to be very interesting to see if Mueller has focused on this and what he may have found.

    "The former Donald Trump insider Steve Bannon has hinted darkly about the Trump family’s exposure to money laundering. And Mr. Mueller has already secured the indictment of Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges of money laundering related to his work in Ukraine. Federal prosecutors are reported to be looking into Jared Kushner’s family firm over its use of a federal program that offered wealthy Chinese investors visas in return for investments. Kushner Companies has denied any wrongdoing.

    The Trump family’s business entanglements are of more than historical significance. Americans need to be sure that major foreign policy decisions are made in the national interest — not because of foreign ties forged by the president’s business ventures."
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

  • #2
    The bigger point here is that Fusion GPS essentially owned up to the fact that "Russian collusion" was a hoax.

    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      The bigger point here is that Fusion GPS essentially owned up to the fact that "Russian collusion" was a hoax.

      And the quote supporting that is where?

      What they said was that there could be even more significance to seeing it from another perspective. They said:

      "Put aside Russian collusion for a moment. Press pause on possible presidential obstruction of justice. Forget Stormy Daniels. The most significant recent development involving the president may be that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, has subpoenaed Trump Organization business records as part of his inquiry into Russian interference in the presidential election."
      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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      • #4
        You ought to try reading your own source, Chuckles. Very first sentence, the reader is asked to "put aside" any notions of Russian collusion. But then they wait six-paragraphs after the headline to drop this bombshell:

        "This reporting has not uncovered conclusive evidence that the Trump Organization or its principals knowingly abetted criminal activity."

        Now that should have been the headline.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          "The former Donald Trump insider Steve Bannon has hinted darkly about the Trump family’s exposure to money laundering. And Mr. Mueller has already secured the indictment of Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges of money laundering related to his work in Ukraine. Federal prosecutors are reported to be looking into Jared Kushner’s family firm over its use of a federal program that offered wealthy Chinese investors visas in return for investments. Kushner Companies has denied any wrongdoing.
          Really desperate.

          Maybe when they are really really desperate, will reuse 'Trump is rapist!!!!' also 'tax records of his!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '
          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            You ought to try reading your own source, Chuckles. Very first sentence, the reader is asked to "put aside" any notions of Russian collusion. But then they wait six-paragraphs after the headline to drop this bombshell:

            "This reporting has not uncovered conclusive evidence that the Trump Organization or its principals knowingly abetted criminal activity."

            Now that should have been the headline.
            I quoted the part you refer to. What you fail to point to is that it says for a moment because other points could be even more important. There is no saying collusion did not happen.

            The part you quote from is not even about collusion. Try reading it in context:

            "We saw money traveling through offshore shell companies, entities often used to obscure ownership. Many news organizations have since dug deeply into the Trump Organization’s projects and come away with similar findings.

            This reporting has not uncovered conclusive evidence that the Trump Organization or its principals knowingly abetted criminal activity. And it’s not reasonable to expect the company to keep track of every condo buyer in a Trump-branded building. But Mr. Trump’s company routinely teamed up with individuals whose backgrounds should have raised red flags."

            It is extremely easy to show you wrong. It is as simple as pointing to the text.
            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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            • #7
              Trump's money laundering activities for the Russian mob have been an 'everyone knows it, nobody can prove it' kind of open secret for decades.

              The New York real estate market has been particular popular for international money laundering:
              Back in March 2016, the Treasury Department decided it would start tracking the purchase of real estate by secret foreign buyers, just in Manhattan and Miami-Dade County. A few months later, they found that over a quarter of all the cash purchases of luxury apartments were suspicious, and expanded the effort... Something similar holds for London — as economist Gabriel Zucman, an expert on hidden wealth, writes, "Why do we allow a great chunk of Manhattan and London to be owned by faceless shells, potentially hiding criminals and money launderers?"

              By various estimates a quarter to a third of the real estate market in New York is laundered money. Trump's a New York real estate mogul who was down on his luck a couple of decades ago after his bankruptcies and had to look for financing from... alternative... sources. He'd built good mob connections over the years, and at that time there were a lot of Russian oligarchs looking to launder their money. Of course he's up to his eyeballs in laundered money. What's been stopping people proving anything up until now is that the Trump Organisation is shell corporations inside shell corporations to hide what's really going on. But that kind of criminality-through-obfuscation that usually works for rich people hiding their money, won't work when Mueller's group are empowered to follow the money trail to see where it leads and see if there really are Russians behind the curtain.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                I quoted the part you refer to. What you fail to point to is that it says for a moment because other points could be even more important. There is no saying collusion did not happen.

                The part you quote from is not even about collusion. Try reading it in context:

                "We saw money traveling through offshore shell companies, entities often used to obscure ownership. Many news organizations have since dug deeply into the Trump Organization’s projects and come away with similar findings.

                This reporting has not uncovered conclusive evidence that the Trump Organization or its principals knowingly abetted criminal activity. And it’s not reasonable to expect the company to keep track of every condo buyer in a Trump-branded building. But Mr. Trump’s company routinely teamed up with individuals whose backgrounds should have raised red flags."

                It is extremely easy to show you wrong. It is as simple as pointing to the text.
                "No conclusive evidence that Trump did anything wrong, but maybe, maybe, maybe...!"

                That's all anti-Trump liberals have is "maybe"; nothing conclusive, nothing you could take to court, just "maybe", and low-info brainless wonders like you fall for it every... single... time.

                It's actually kind of hilarious.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  Trump's money laundering activities for the Russian mob have been an 'everyone knows it, nobody can prove it' kind of open secret for decades.
                  You know the legal term for that?

                  "Not guilty."

                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    You know the legal term for that?
                    "Guilty as sin"? "Will be indicted by Mueller's team"?
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11


                      Sorry, but Trump isn't, and never has been, a target of Mueller's investigation. Meanwhile, Sessions has been quietly spearheading the investigation into the real criminals. You really have no idea what's coming, do you?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Charles View Post
                        Very interesting take by Fusion GPS on Trump's situation: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/2...col-top-region

                        It is going to be very interesting to see if Mueller has focused on this and what he may have found.

                        "The former Donald Trump insider Steve Bannon has hinted darkly about the Trump family’s exposure to money laundering. And Mr. Mueller has already secured the indictment of Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges of money laundering related to his work in Ukraine. Federal prosecutors are reported to be looking into Jared Kushner’s family firm over its use of a federal program that offered wealthy Chinese investors visas in return for investments. Kushner Companies has denied any wrongdoing.

                        The Trump family’s business entanglements are of more than historical significance. Americans need to be sure that major foreign policy decisions are made in the national interest — not because of foreign ties forged by the president’s business ventures."
                        Fusion GPS? Why would you read, much less pay attention to anything they say? They have been exposed as working with the Russians and creating fake documents and dossiers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          "No conclusive evidence that Trump did anything wrong, but maybe, maybe, maybe...!"

                          That's all anti-Trump liberals have is "maybe"; nothing conclusive, nothing you could take to court, just "maybe", and low-info brainless wonders like you fall for it every... single... time.

                          It's actually kind of hilarious.
                          So after making false claims about the content af the article as everyone can see in this thread you now go for the genetic fallacy and personal attacks, since your first strategy did not work.

                          I much prefer an honest maybe to that.
                          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                            So after making false claims about the content af the article...
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                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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