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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostI agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.
Here's what one anti-cop activist said after going through a police training exercise:
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYour ignorance is showing again.
Here's what one anti-cop activist said after going through a police training exercise:
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.
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Since this happened 15 minutes from where i live, I figured I should report in and also clear some of the BS being spread
Originally posted by Starlight View PostFixed that for you.
From the information available at this stage, both the Toronto terrorist and the Waffle House shooter were white Christian right-wingers who had a history of mental issues.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostIf a Muslim did the same would you say the behavior was "anything but Muslim" given the world's 1 billion other Muslims weren't doing likewise?
Here's an article, but you should really learn to use google rather than getting me to do your research for you. It's a good life skill.
That article speculates on a possible motive:
"His attack was done in a predominantly Iranian part of Toronto and comes on the anniversary of the Armenian genocide. [He was Armenian]"
However, at this stage speculative motives should probably be taken with a grain of salt as the truth often doesn't come out until loooooong afterwards. (e.g. we didn't learn the truth about the Pulse Night Club shooting until the court case last month concluded, and we found out that almost all the speculation had been wrong)
Originally posted by mossrose View PostWant to bet?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostSince this happened 15 minutes from where i live, I figured I should report in and also clear some of the BS being spread
Incels are overwhelmingly atheist, like you. White spree killers in general are mostly atheists, like you.
Guilt by association!
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Never heard of incels until this story came out. Short for involuntarily celibate. Pathetic men who group together online to complain that women won't sleep with them. This is now two attacks from this group, can we treat them as a terrorist organisation yet?
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostNever heard of incels until this story came out. Short for involuntarily celibate. Pathetic men who group together online to complain that women won't sleep with them. This is now two attacks from this group, can we treat them as a terrorist organisation yet?
Considering that Christians believe sex outside of marriage is a sin, I would doubt that any would be joining a group complaining they can't get any women to sleep with them.
And yeah they do sound pathetic.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat's not what I'm saying at all as I'm sure you are aware. What I'm saying is that: "Black men are nearly three times as likely to be killed by legal intervention in the US than white men, according to the study, which was published in the American Journal of Public Health on Tuesday".
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/20/h...ice/index.html
This is NOT the situation one sees in Canada is the point I'm making, or for that matter in Australia, where guns are very much a last resort of the police.
It is interesting that you make a joke of racism, when clearly racism is a motivating force in the US.
This was all brought up previously back when the rioting in Ferguson was going on.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOriginally posted by rogue06 View Post
Only one problem with that. Blacks who only constitute 13% of the population commit nearly 50% of the crime. So one can concluded that police confrontations are roughly equal. And yet, whites are more likely to be killed as a result of such a confrontation. This has been confirmed by research conducted at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, which shows that approximately 49% of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30% were black.
Likewise, a study by Washington State University-Spokane's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology concluded that police "were less likely to erroneously shoot unarmed black suspects than they were unarmed whites — 25 times less likely" as well as "officers hesitated significantly longer before shooting armed suspects who were black, compared to armed subjects who were white or Hispanic."
ProPublica, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes (the first online news organization to win one) along with several other awards, conducted a similar study utilizing FBI data from 1980-2012 and came to similar conclusions.
PolitiFact looked into the claim and used statistics provided by the CDC and concluded that 2151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1130 blacks between 1999 and 2011.
Again, keep in mind, since blacks are essentially responsible for half of the violent crimes committed in the U.S. there is going to be roughly an equal number of confrontations. And if you believe the hype from black activists that blacks are far more likely (one claimed something like ten times more likely) to be stopped by the police, then blacks have more encounters with the police in total meaning that these statistics are even more startling.
I guess we should be expecting massive protests about how "White Lives Matter" any day now.
And the Washington Times recently ran this:
Wrt the last statistic, a recent study that a black person living in Chicago has an 1.13 in 1000 chance of being shot. Period. Funny how groups like Black Lives Matter and liberal politicians aren't up in arms (no pun intended) about this. But then they can't blame whites, or the police or give their typical knee jerk reaction of demanding stricter gun control since Chicago already has some of the toughest gun laws in the country.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou beat me to it.
Hope you are doing well.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGreat minds and all that
Hope you are doing well.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.
I have personally witnessed someone shot multiple times in the center of the chest with high caliber rounds piercing the heart, continue stumbling forward, emptying the magazine in his own weapon before collapsing and dying.
I have a cousin who was shot and wounded while in Vietnam (the round penetrated his helmet but fortunately only grazed his skull requiring a couple dozen stitches) from someone who was shot multiple times by multiple soldiers, collapsed in a heap and presumed dead.
Police are trained not to draw their weapon unless lethal force is warranted. And if they have to shoot, they are trained to make sure that the target is completely nullified so that they no longer pose any risk to either the officer or anyone else. This is the reason (along with massive rushes of adrenaline) that police often empty their weapon into someone when they shoot.
ETA: After reading the other responses I see that nearly everything I noted had already been brought up.
Great minds againLast edited by rogue06; 04-25-2018, 02:05 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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