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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI have personally witnessed someone shot multiple times in the center of the chest with high caliber rounds piercing the heart, continue stumbling forward, emptying the magazine in his own weapon before collapsing and dying.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhen you have a criminal with a gun being faced by several police and is subsequently shot, you will have several guns all firing at once. Not to mention that in real life, people don't just fall over moaning when they are shot. Many times they just keep going for several minutes from the adrenaline before they will fall down unless the shot was fatal.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostStephon Clarke was shot 20 times, yeah thats right, 20 times, and he had no gun nor was he going anywhere, so stop with the nonsense. Cops shouldn't be aloud to shoot first and find out whether the suspect had a gun or not later. If that's to difficult for them, then they shouldn't be cops in the first place.Last edited by Sparko; 04-25-2018, 03:34 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhile I was not the officer doing the shooting, I pulled up on a scene where a man high on PCP had been battling police, and had been shot 5 times in the chest with .357 magnum rounds. My patrol car stopped just short of where this man was standing, and he reached down, grabbed the 'push bars' on the front of my patrol car, and lifted the front end of the car nearly off the ground, screaming curse words, blood spurting all over my hood from his chest, before finally falling dead to the ground. It is an image I will never forget.
Yikes!Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey aren't (unless being threatened) but sometimes it isn't so easy to tell if they actually have a gun or it just appears to be one. and he was shot 8 times. a total of 20 shots was fired - that's 12 misses. That shows you how inaccurate gun fire can be in those situations and why they fire so many rounds.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhile I was not the officer doing the shooting, I pulled up on a scene where a man high on PCP had been battling police, and had been shot 5 times in the chest with .357 magnum rounds. My patrol car stopped just short of where this man was standing, and he reached down, grabbed the 'push bars' on the front of my patrol car, and lifted the front end of the car nearly off the ground, screaming curse words, blood spurting all over my hood from his chest, before finally falling dead to the ground. It is an image I will never forget.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostApparently, one of the not so dirty secrets in police work is that a substantial percent of police wounded in shoot-out were hit by stray rounds fired by other officers. Nobody but an obvious socio/psycho-path would want several officers in widely different positions (and likely unaware of where at least a few others are) firing at a likely moving target in more than likely less than ideal lighting conditions -- especially in an environment surrounded by people.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere's also the tunnel vision phenomenon, where you zero in on your target and can become oblivious to everything else.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat works both ways -- the guy robbing the convenient store, not realizing there's a uniformed police officer standing right behind him... Police officers are supposed to be trained to deal with that, but it's physiology nonetheless.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOr the guy who tries to waylay suspicion by asking for and filling out a job application before pulling a gun to rob the place.
He left, took the note to the bank across the street, and slipped it to the teller. She read it, turned it over, then said, "I'm sorry, sir, but this deposit slip is from the bank across the street - you'll need to write your note on one of our own deposit slips." He got discouraged and left.
Yeah, probably didn't happen, but makes a great story.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat particular study flies in the face of several others that has revealed that a white person is considerably more likely to be shot by a police officer during a confrontation with law enforcement. It has got to the point that researchers are now trying to figure out why.
This was all brought up previously back when the rioting in Ferguson was going on.
To repeat, the difference between Canada and places like Australia, where police fire their weapon only as a last resort (as per the example in Toronto where the perpetrator was not fired upon at all); in the USA police tend to shoot the crap out of people as their initial response. The examples are countless. E.g. “Stephon Clark, the unarmed black man shot by Sacramento police officers while holding a cell phone in his grandparent's backyard last week, was shot eight times, six of which hit him in the back”.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/...ing-sacramento“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post...in the USA police tend to shoot the crap out of people as their initial response.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post... in the USA police tend to shoot the crap out of people as their initial response...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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