Van Terror In Toronto...

[Cow Poke]

Murder-target practice, same thing, CP

I do target practice all the time, Jim - nobody dies. But I'll leave you to your foolishness.

[JimL]

I do target practice all the time, Jim - nobody dies. But I'll leave you to your foolishness.

Yes, well, if you used a human body as your target then somebody would die. Stop being silly.

[Mountain Man]

I agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.

Your ignorance is showing again.

Here's what one anti-cop activist said after going through a police training exercise:

Source: Shoot or don't shoot: Police scenarios prove eye-opening for civil rights leaders

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/15...s-leaders.html

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[Cow Poke]

Your ignorance is showing again.

Here's what one anti-cop activist said after going through a police training exercise:

Source: Shoot or don't shoot: Police scenarios prove eye-opening for civil rights leaders

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/15...s-leaders.html

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And multiply that by multiple officers on the scene with no time to have a polite discussion about who fires first if the situation warrants a deadly fire response....

[Sparko]

The difference is that the guns are there as a last resort, not to shoot the crap out of (sometimes perfectly innocent) people as per the USA...especially blacks.

People carrying guns is a last resort too.

You have watched too many westerns.

[Sparko]

I agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.

When you have a criminal with a gun being faced by several police and is subsequently shot, you will have several guns all firing at once. Not to mention that in real life, people don't just fall over moaning when they are shot. Many times they just keep going for several minutes from the adrenaline before they will fall down unless the shot was fatal.

[Darth Executor]

Since this happened 15 minutes from where i live, I figured I should report in and also clear some of the BS being spread

Fixed that for you.

From the information available at this stage, both the Toronto terrorist and the Waffle House shooter were white Christian right-wingers who had a history of mental issues.

Incels are overwhelmingly atheist, like you. White spree killers in general are mostly atheists, like you.

If a Muslim did the same would you say the behavior was "anything but Muslim" given the world's 1 billion other Muslims weren't doing likewise?

Here's an article, but you should really learn to use google rather than getting me to do your research for you. It's a good life skill.

That article speculates on a possible motive:
"His attack was done in a predominantly Iranian part of Toronto and comes on the anniversary of the Armenian genocide. [He was Armenian]"
However, at this stage speculative motives should probably be taken with a grain of salt as the truth often doesn't come out until loooooong afterwards. (e.g. we didn't learn the truth about the Pulse Night Club shooting until the court case last month concluded, and we found out that almost all the speculation had been wrong)

The article is wrong, the attack was not done in a predominantly Iranian part of Toronto. If he wanted to kill Iranians (who have nothing to do with the Armenian genocide anyway) he would've gone north of Finch, where the Iranian neighbourhood actually is. Instead he went south, passing through a Korean neighborhood before going on the rampage. Most likely he picked the area he targeted because it's a busy commerce center. Lots of stores and people with free time walking around, perfect set-up if you want a large body count.

Want to bet?

He's already betting his soul. And he's not gonna like how that one turns out.

[Sparko]

Since this happened 15 minutes from where i live, I figured I should report in and also clear some of the BS being spread



Incels are overwhelmingly atheist, like you. White spree killers in general are mostly atheists, like you.

This is how Star and the article he posted came to the conclusion the guy was Christian:

Source: [url

https://gulfnews.com/news/americas/canada/deadly-toronto-van-driver-what-we-know-about-alek-minassian-1.2210589][/url]
Canadian media reported that Minassian is of Armenian origin, the vast majority of whom are orthodox Christians.

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Guilt by association!

[EvoUK]

Never heard of incels until this story came out. Short for involuntarily celibate. Pathetic men who group together online to complain that women won't sleep with them. This is now two attacks from this group, can we treat them as a terrorist organisation yet?

[Sparko]

Never heard of incels until this story came out. Short for involuntarily celibate. Pathetic men who group together online to complain that women won't sleep with them. This is now two attacks from this group, can we treat them as a terrorist organisation yet?

Another nail in the coffin of SL (and that article he quoted) claiming the guy was "Christian."

Considering that Christians believe sex outside of marriage is a sin, I would doubt that any would be joining a group complaining they can't get any women to sleep with them.

And yeah they do sound pathetic.

[rogue06]

That's not what I'm saying at all as I'm sure you are aware. What I'm saying is that: "Black men are nearly three times as likely to be killed by legal intervention in the US than white men, according to the study, which was published in the American Journal of Public Health on Tuesday".

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/20/h...ice/index.html

This is NOT the situation one sees in Canada is the point I'm making, or for that matter in Australia, where guns are very much a last resort of the police.

It is interesting that you make a joke of racism, when clearly racism is a motivating force in the US.

That particular study flies in the face of several others that has revealed that a white person is considerably more likely to be shot by a police officer during a confrontation with law enforcement. It has got to the point that researchers are now trying to figure out why.

This was all brought up previously back when the rioting in Ferguson was going on.

And the Washington Times recently ran this:

Source: Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage

Source

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Wrt the last statistic, a recent study that a black person living in Chicago has an 1.13 in 1000 chance of being shot. Period. Funny how groups like Black Lives Matter and liberal politicians aren't up in arms (no pun intended) about this. But then they can't blame whites, or the police or give their typical knee jerk reaction of demanding stricter gun control since Chicago already has some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

[rogue06]

You beat me to it.

Great minds and all that


Hope you are doing well.

[Cow Poke]

Great minds and all that


Hope you are doing well.

I am. Thanks.

[rogue06]

I agree, there is no need to put 18 bullets into a suspect after one or two bullets has already killed him and certainly has incapacitated them. So often it is reported suspect shot by police 16, 17, 18 times. It's simply target practice at that point.

You're only experience with someone being shot has been what you've seen on TV and in the movies, right? You know, where someone fires a shot and the person hit drops like a sack of potatoes on the spot dead as a door nail. Well let me tell you that why that can happen (usually with certain types of head shots), in most instances folks that have been shot -- even fatally -- tend to keep on going for awhile. Often more than long enough to get off several shots of their own. A shooting instructor I knew from way back once said that he long ago lost count of the number of people he knew who were shot by a "dead man."

I have personally witnessed someone shot multiple times in the center of the chest with high caliber rounds piercing the heart, continue stumbling forward, emptying the magazine in his own weapon before collapsing and dying.

I have a cousin who was shot and wounded while in Vietnam (the round penetrated his helmet but fortunately only grazed his skull requiring a couple dozen stitches) from someone who was shot multiple times by multiple soldiers, collapsed in a heap and presumed dead.

Police are trained not to draw their weapon unless lethal force is warranted. And if they have to shoot, they are trained to make sure that the target is completely nullified so that they no longer pose any risk to either the officer or anyone else. This is the reason (along with massive rushes of adrenaline) that police often empty their weapon into someone when they shoot.


ETA: After reading the other responses I see that nearly everything I noted had already been brought up.

Great minds again

[mossrose]

So.

Are vans banned yet?